Is it in my head, or are the baked in abilities..

Not as good as when they are xfactors? Just don’t seem to notice them as much.

I disagree, really didn’t notice them on x factor,  but truly do now when baked in.

I think the proliferation of ST/TS makes the most noticeable XF/Abilities like AR seem less effective. 

So I do agree they seem less effective now, but not because they are abilities but rather because there are more abilities available to cancel them.

Well said above. X factors like UF/AR were OP before everyone had SP/ST.

i will say sometimes Revis and Ward’s UC won’t force a KO/reaction, but they may be getting countered as well

theperkness said:

I think the proliferation of ST/TS makes the most noticeable XF/Abilities like AR seem less effective. 

So I do agree they seem less effective now, but not because they are abilities but rather because there are more abilities available to cancel them.

I’m gonna catch hate, wasn’t gonna specifically bring it up, but Vanguard for example, I have a ton of them on my team. Crumpler and Williams rarely ever seem to make one of those devastating blocks while Andrews and Engram are still incredible when lit up. It’s probably just me.

xXcGilmer18Xx said:

I’m gonna catch hate, wasn’t gonna specifically bring it up, but Vanguard for example, I have a ton of them on my team. Crumpler and Williams rarely ever seem to make one of those devastating blocks while Andrews and Engram are still incredible when lit up. It’s probably just me.

I’m kind of feeling the same way to be honest baked on coverage abilities like UB or Bottleneck seem less effective as do pass like rushing UF which can be argued is countered by SP. As far as TEs go GT Vita Vea is a monster mowing people down for the purpose of running but gets bullied off his routes and KO‘d too easily so I’m rolling with Kelce, Andrews, and upgraded TTAS Higbee they arent bad

xXcGilmer18Xx said:

I’m gonna catch hate, wasn’t gonna specifically bring it up, but Vanguard for example, I have a ton of them on my team. Crumpler and Williams rarely ever seem to make one of those devastating blocks while Andrews and Engram are still incredible when lit up. It’s probably just me.

It’s not crazy what you’re saying but I see it the opposite way, Trent Williams is my te and he’s knocking dudes down damn near every play. The nigerian nightmare dude is my fb and he’s got it as well but I don’t see him making dudes vomit their pants nearly as much. Maybe it’s the law of averages making it look different,  because clearly some people see it one way and some people see it another.

I have Randle and Klecko and I barely noticed them. Maybe it's just because everyone has better Olines now but my Collosus 97 Phillips used to get way more heat than them

surgeyoux said:

I have Randle and Klecko and I barely noticed them. Maybe it's just because everyone has better Olines now but my Collosus 97 Phillips used to get way more heat than them

Yep that's the thing, back when Harrison was out there were no 0 AP SP OL.

Now everyone has 5 0 AP SP OL and so Colossus and UF seem worse, both the XF and Ability-based.

I could be wrong tho on how they actually may differ.

Every single player on my team has ST/TS. Plus with Hutchinson. It's amazing watching the run toters struggle.