Too many Sweaty Meta Opponents... game is coming to a dead end fast.

Br2nc0 said:

"the player that wins is better at the skill of madden. Whether it’s knowledge of what works, or using that knowledge properly, the skill of being a madden player is defined by winning"

Funny how you think exploiting broken AI is "skill". It takes no skill to spam the same nonsense over and over again. That's why its so frequent to come up against online, because its so easy to run. If Madden was realistic, almost none of the meta would work.

look, I define skill by winning games. Every other measurement is subjective. i also don’t believe that stock Plays being good is good for madden. Most people hit route out of double post or change coverage in DB fire. Therefor I don’t think they’re bad for madden as an esport

Br2nc0 said:

If you knew football, you would know that the meta would never work irl. That's what so frustrating about Madden.

A clear out route with a post breaking in front of the safety wouldn’t work for what reason exactly? Because the defenders react to it. So you need to put them in position because the point of madden is that *you* are making decisions as if you are the players. So if players aren’t guarding stuff, you’re the one not guarding it

I would love to see this game without HRM and SFL. I just want to see how the game plays when you can't make every single route a double post or corner

Damn bro this shit absolutely exploded wtf

elmango30 said:

look, I define skill by winning games. Every other measurement is subjective. i also don’t believe that stock Plays being good is good for madden. Most people hit route out of double post or change coverage in DB fire. Therefor I don’t think they’re bad for madden as an esport

First, i'd argue that skill is subjective anyways. The skill ceiling is really low for this game, then. Anybody can run the meta schemes, regardless if they know football or not. If I played you in NFL2k5, an actual football simulation game, i'd wipe the floor with you, because the game actually uses football concepts.

And what type of assnine take is "stock plays being bad for madden"??? Something that is run irl(constantly), and its bad for madden? Stock plays most of the time aren't good anyways, its why HRM is such a sought out ability. If its so broken, then EA should fix it to where there is a counter to said plays.

lol bailout trash abilities, put trash run stopping abilities on your line, mable with zone kos and user the middle lol so much skill

elmango30 said:

A clear out route with a post breaking in front of the safety wouldn’t work for what reason exactly? Because the defenders react to it. So you need to put them in position because the point of madden is that *you* are making decisions as if you are the players. So if players aren’t guarding stuff, you’re the one not guarding it

And that's the problem, Madden's AI is so shitty and inconsistent that it weighs the game down a ton. There will be times where a deep zone won't guard a deep route, and there will be times where it does. This game is hard to gauge with skill because the game is so rng-based. Sometimes you'll get a KO, sometimes you wont, sometimes SFL will work, sometimes it doesn't. This game is trash

Br2nc0 said:

And that's the problem, Madden's AI is so shitty and inconsistent that it weighs the game down a ton. There will be times where a deep zone won't guard a deep route, and there will be times where it does. This game is hard to gauge with skill because the game is so rng-based. Sometimes you'll get a KO, sometimes you wont, sometimes SFL will work, sometimes it doesn't. This game is trash

Or your Williams will bug out and cost you 100k like Wesley's did lol

Cjdjjsn said:

Only thing I know is to use football concepts and whatnot. I don’t know cheese I don’t watch mcs or YouTube crap I don’t have a majority of “cheese plays” in my playbo. I play football. That’s what wins me games. And plenty of them 

start playing football and maybe you would win.

also i type you in generalities

Yeah ok bro😂😂😂 we know ur an onside kick and rpo cheese demon just give it up

Br2nc0 said:

First, i'd argue that skill is subjective anyways. The skill ceiling is really low for this game, then. Anybody can run the meta schemes, regardless if they know football or not. If I played you in NFL2k5, an actual football simulation game, i'd wipe the floor with you, because the game actually uses football concepts.

And what type of assnine take is "stock plays being bad for madden"??? Something that is run irl(constantly), and its bad for madden? Stock plays most of the time aren't good anyways, its why HRM is such a sought out ability. If its so broken, then EA should fix it to where there is a counter to said plays.

well because real life offensive plays are used in madden but real life defenses largely are not - and I don’t think you would wipe the floor with me in nfl 2k5, frankly

Br2nc0 said:

First, i'd argue that skill is subjective anyways. The skill ceiling is really low for this game, then. Anybody can run the meta schemes, regardless if they know football or not. If I played you in NFL2k5, an actual football simulation game, i'd wipe the floor with you, because the game actually uses football concepts.

And what type of assnine take is "stock plays being bad for madden"??? Something that is run irl(constantly), and its bad for madden? Stock plays most of the time aren't good anyways, its why HRM is such a sought out ability. If its so broken, then EA should fix it to where there is a counter to said plays.

If the skill ceiling were low the same players wouldn’t be winning the pro tournaments throughout the year

Oh yeah on a side note.... the cards coming out this week are going to make the abilities crap probably 2x worse at least. Ultimate legend, honors, some other promo, they're getting ready to try and get as much money from packs before ncaa is more popular than mut because they know the game is dying. Weve seen them move people off their past teams by making the abilities and X factors even crazier on new cards, which I 100% expect will be the case shortly. the lurk artist and ko at every position and Unstoppable force on every lineman is going to happen very soon.

Cjdjjsn said:

Only thing I know is to use football concepts and whatnot. I don’t know cheese I don’t watch mcs or YouTube crap I don’t have a majority of “cheese plays” in my playbo. I play football. That’s what wins me games. And plenty of them 

start playing football and maybe you would win.

also i type you in generalities

I do win? 

I just don't play people that run the same cheesy shit over and over. It's not fun for me. I doubt it's fun for them either tbh. When I get that match-up, I quit. I'm happy because I get an hour of my life back. They're happy because they 'won' the game and got their 2000 coins or whatever. I'm not criticising players that DONT do that; I'm not even really criticising players that DO - play the game however you like man, just don't expect me to join you.

Its just a shame that a game holding the only NFL license for simulation football isn't simulation football.

EightyOne said:

I do win? 

I just don't play people that run the same cheesy shit over and over. It's not fun for me. I doubt it's fun for them either tbh. When I get that match-up, I quit. I'm happy because I get an hour of my life back. They're happy because they 'won' the game and got their 2000 coins or whatever. I'm not criticising players that DONT do that; I'm not even really criticising players that DO - play the game however you like man, just don't expect me to join you.

Its just a shame that a game holding the only NFL license for simulation football isn't simulation football.

He keeps saying "play football" like it's some special thing. You can't just "play football" in Madden when you have abilities and red x factors all over the place. It's an arcade shootout style "football" game where defense is pretty much ignored most of the time. People can scream adjustments and all that but the game is coded to allow people to jump on and be able to compete. Most of the time, the game is rng so when people yell about skill, they should relax a bit