I put 3 bottlenecks on Samuel, Revis and Ward
And boy did I get smoked
They would lose half their press attempts, even on simple streak routes
They couldnt keep up with crossers even with one step ahead...they couldnt even get close enough to get a KO
.
I also dont run bench press, becaue there is no fatigue on the game anymore
.
Conclusion
Back to Zone
jimshredder said:I put 3 bottlenecks on Samuel, Revis and Ward
And boy did I get smoked
They would lose half their press attempts, even on simple streak routes
They couldnt keep up with crossers even with one step ahead...they couldnt even get close enough to get a KO
.
I also dont run bench press, becaue there is no fatigue on the game anymore
.
Conclusion
Back to Zone
Theres no fatigue jn the game? Since when. The hurry up spammers still lead to a lot of orange and red stamina after a few plays on my defense. The problem is like anything else in this game, offense is laughably unbalanced and OP, and seems THEY dont fatigue running their own cheesy kid scheme. Lol
Either way does bench press literally not fatigue the wrs at all? I think I have that on Law AND someone else. If this is true, back to the abilities for an adjustment lol
SquishySoldier21 said:Theres no fatigue jn the game? Since when. The hurry up spammers still lead to a lot of orange and red stamina after a few plays on my defense. The problem is like anything else in this game, offense is laughably unbalanced and OP, and seems THEY dont fatigue running their own cheesy kid scheme. Lol
Either way does bench press literally not fatigue the wrs at all? I think I have that on Law AND someone else. If this is true, back to the abilities for an adjustment lol
Didnt EA remove fatigue a while ago after all the players were getting too tired easily and having to sub?
https://www.mut.gg/abilities/second-wind/
MUT.gg says EA removed stamina from the game
SquishySoldier21 said:Theres no fatigue jn the game? Since when. The hurry up spammers still lead to a lot of orange and red stamina after a few plays on my defense. The problem is like anything else in this game, offense is laughably unbalanced and OP, and seems THEY dont fatigue running their own cheesy kid scheme. Lol
Either way does bench press literally not fatigue the wrs at all? I think I have that on Law AND someone else. If this is true, back to the abilities for an adjustment lol
Bench press works on occasion, but the problem is the 1 time it doesnt, you get destroyed for a long TD
jimshredder said:Didnt EA remove fatigue a while ago after all the players were getting too tired easily and having to sub?
https://www.mut.gg/abilities/second-wind/
MUT.gg says EA removed stamina from the game
Oh yeah i know it was removed and putback and removed rtc but last I remember significant fatigue on my dbs, and some other perimeter players during hurry up spamming.
Idk my point is wether its in the game or not it rarely penalizes the offense equally as the D during spamming.
SquishySoldier21 said:Oh yeah i know it was removed and putback and removed rtc but last I remember significant fatigue on my dbs, and some other perimeter players during hurry up spamming.
Idk my point is wether its in the game or not it rarely penalizes the offense equally as the D during spamming.
Flipping, motion and spamming hurry up should both ...
1) Heavilty fatigue the OLine
2) Cause false starts
Of course Madden does neither
jimshredder said:Flipping, motion and spamming hurry up should both ...
1) Heavilty fatigue the OLine
2) Cause false starts
Of course Madden does neither
Definitely. And it probably should do even more than that. It should give at least a CHANCE that one or more of your players completely blows his assignment/as if he didnt remember the play etc
jimshredder said:I put 3 bottlenecks on Samuel, Revis and Ward
And boy did I get smoked
They would lose half their press attempts, even on simple streak routes
They couldnt keep up with crossers even with one step ahead...they couldnt even get close enough to get a KO
.
I also dont run bench press, becaue there is no fatigue on the game anymore
.
Conclusion
Back to Zone
I meant to look for your prior thread / post / comment this past weekend, was hoping to engage in a dialogue with you, but seems you've already reached essentially the same conclusion. I came VERY close to building that Asante Samuel UL set, so I could have a Nickel corner with Bottleneck (and Reinforcement), but thankfully I held off, for now. Ended up going with the Mawae set, but that's a separate topic.
Regardless, I found my experience to be very similar to your own. Bottleneck felt ridiculously inconsistent and getting burned on those simple Streaks, causing me to lose a MUT Champs game was enough motivation to almost immediately go back to zone. Perhaps too small a sample size, but it's also been my experience when facing opponents trying to run this new Man Press meta, it's simply not consistent enough. Even the bad, broken, wonky Zone coverages are somehow superior to this. I get that DBs just tend to "dumb out" from time to time, in both Man AND Zone schemes, but I feel liek any remotely competent opponent will figure out how to get the ball out quick and which routes (often TE/HB) will tend to avoid the press.
Not to mention there are direct counters, in the form of; Ceedee Lamb, Evan Engram & Herman Moore who all get baked on abilities which will give us plenty of opportunity to insta-beat those Man Press attempts. Although, it hasn't really been an issue for me yet, perhaps we'll continue to see more and more Man Press as we finish out June.
jimshredder said:I put 3 bottlenecks on Samuel, Revis and Ward
And boy did I get smoked
They would lose half their press attempts, even on simple streak routes
They couldnt keep up with crossers even with one step ahead...they couldnt even get close enough to get a KO
.
I also dont run bench press, becaue there is no fatigue on the game anymore
.
Conclusion
Back to Zone
The man coverage scheme works against average to below average players, but the moment you run into someone who has a man beating scheme up their sleeve, it's gg's.