Defensive Rally/PR Points Testing

peatrick said:

Thank you for correcting my poor terminology.  For a while, I was using Relentless on Aaron Donald, which paired nicely with DoN, always keeping him at max pass rush points.  All your information is so spot-on correct, basically detailing my exact experiences.

Most of my pressures are coming from quick A-gap blitzes (using mostly 3-3 Odd lately), or the B-gap from overloading the weak side in 3-3 Cub or simple disengage when rushing with four down linemen sets.  I was only interested in Defensive Rally again all of a sudden due to the overwhelming amount of ability options we now have.  Who do you prefer as your primary pass rushers?  I've got Aidan Hutchinson (LE), Mario Williams (DT1), John Randle (DT2) and Jevon Kearse (RE) with Junior Seau & Dave Robinson (although i keep confusing him with the Spurs center and i want to continually call him "David" heh) as my outside linebackers.  Of course Caleb Jones as my primary USER.

I also bring in Ray Nitschke in the rare event i need to run 3-4 Odd, this is how i try to defend against the heavy run formations.  Good to know there is some tangible benefit to stacking Defensive Rally.

All good man, not trying to correct you, I just wanted to be clear in case someone else reads through this and gets confused about it. Also hate to bring it up now but I believe you are referring to Relentless on AD, I agree it was a nice pair with DoN and I think he’s still pretty useable, there’s just some better options now.

I’m still using D-rally on a couple players that get a million abilities since I’m using DoN on most of my line.

Right now my pass rushers are as follows:

RE Kearse

DT1 Mario Williams

DT2 Sapp

LE Peppers

ROLB Dave Robinson (SubLb1)

LOLB Aidan Hutch (Rush RE)

Hutch is always on the field for his Momentum Shift and he’s actually been decent as a pass rusher. I think Peppers and Kearse have played similar with their pass rush, both very consistent and Peppers almost always gets the INT’s on tipped passes/QB sack throwaways. Mario gets good pressure too and still gets to the QB at DT in Dollar against pocket passers. Sapp I just put into the lineup after finally deciding to take him from the BND pack so I haven’t had enough time with him yet.

Before Sapp I had Klecko next to Mario and before Mario it was Klecko and Randle. Both of those guys were great, still keeping Klecko in case I want to use him over Sapp if I can’t get Sapp going.

Fun fact:

David Robinson (Spurs) was actually my brother’s favorite basketball player. He had Spurs everything and even had a plaque with his rookie card that he mailed to have him autograph.

SlowAndSteady said:

All good man, not trying to correct you, I just wanted to be clear in case someone else reads through this and gets confused about it. Also hate to bring it up now but I believe you are referring to Relentless on AD, I agree it was a nice pair with DoN and I think he’s still pretty useable, there’s just some better options now.

I’m still using D-rally on a couple players that get a million abilities since I’m using DoN on most of my line.

Right now my pass rushers are as follows:

RE Kearse

DT1 Mario Williams

DT2 Sapp

LE Peppers

ROLB Dave Robinson (SubLb1)

LOLB Aidan Hutch (Rush RE)

Hutch is always on the field for his Momentum Shift and he’s actually been decent as a pass rusher. I think Peppers and Kearse have played similar with their pass rush, both very consistent and Peppers almost always gets the INT’s on tipped passes/QB sack throwaways. Mario gets good pressure too and still gets to the QB at DT in Dollar against pocket passers. Sapp I just put into the lineup after finally deciding to take him from the BND pack so I haven’t had enough time with him yet.

Before Sapp I had Klecko next to Mario and before Mario it was Klecko and Randle. Both of those guys were great, still keeping Klecko in case I want to use him over Sapp if I can’t get Sapp going.

Fun fact:

David Robinson (Spurs) was actually my brother’s favorite basketball player. He had Spurs everything and even had a plaque with his rookie card that he mailed to have him autograph.

100% was trying to conjure up Relentless, thank you AGAIN.  Now revised my prior comment.  Seriously appreciate when folks correct the many, many mistakes I make, be it with poor terminology, simple oversight or lack of knowledge and understanding of this buggy ass game that we all want to love.

Thanks for taking the time to detail your current defensive / pass rush setup.  I've got that 99 BND FAP pack waiting to choose someone, but hasn't been a pressing need.  So there it sits.

You have no idea how much i adore your fun fact.  I might be looking in a mirror.  I grew up with my entire bedroom plastered with various Air Jordan posters, but my brother was a huge Spurs fan, because of The Admiral.  I still remember him getting those David Robinson Air Force pumps in the early Nineties... that seemed to go halfway up your calf.  Don't think he ever got an autograph, though.  Awesome story.

PLEASE, for my own sake and for that of the community at large, continue to correct my confusions/delusions.  I am wildly enthusiastic about this game, but hardly an expert.  Appreciate when the big brains such as yourself take me to school on a range of topics.  Happy weekend, my guy.  Keep up the excellent work.

peatrick said:

100% was trying to conjure up Relentless, thank you AGAIN.  Now revised my prior comment.  Seriously appreciate when folks correct the many, many mistakes I make, be it with poor terminology, simple oversight or lack of knowledge and understanding of this buggy ass game that we all want to love.

Thanks for taking the time to detail your current defensive / pass rush setup.  I've got that 99 BND FAP pack waiting to choose someone, but hasn't been a pressing need.  So there it sits.

You have no idea how much i adore your fun fact.  I might be looking in a mirror.  I grew up with my entire bedroom plastered with various Air Jordan posters, but my brother was a huge Spurs fan, because of The Admiral.  I still remember him getting those David Robinson Air Force pumps in the early Nineties... that seemed to go halfway up your calf.  Don't think he ever got an autograph, though.  Awesome story.

PLEASE, for my own sake and for that of the community at large, continue to correct my confusions/delusions.  I am wildly enthusiastic about this game, but hardly an expert.  Appreciate when the big brains such as yourself take me to school on a range of topics.  Happy weekend, my guy.  Keep up the excellent work.

I appreciate the kind words man. Thanks as well for bringing up the childhood memories. I was a huge Hornets fan and had everything including bedding and wallpaper. Zo and Larry Johnson were my favorites but Jordan is the GOAT. I still have a Jordan poster hanging in my basement from the Dream Team era.

Also have several totes in my storage room with basketball cards from the 90’s, one of my favorites is Shaq carrying a vending machine. It was never that valuable but I’ve always been a sucker for cool images and card art.

SlowAndSteady said:

Finally tried this and you can‘t equip defensive rally twice on the same player.

Ah dang, good to note though thanks for testing it.

SlowAndSteady said:

It’s not as good as you would hope. El Toro seems to do nothing this year and Secure Protector makes all of this dice rolls no matter how many pass rush points and abilities you have.

I considered the possibility you were trying to throw me off the scent. After running the aforementioned combo for just three games, I found that my pass rush got very little improvement from El Toro unless I usered the defensive lineman, and that’s not something I would build my team’s abilities around. What I gave up for a barely better pass rush proved to be a grave liability for inside zone runs.

Of course, it continues to feel like every experience I’m having with my 99 OVR lineup lately is being skewed by RNG’s that align with DDA principles, so it’s possible my scheme is being diluted when tested under open conditions.

Because the best lineups are now full of abilities everywhere, it is impossible to attack offenses or defenses tactically, reducing the MUT experience to the outcome of a series of early RNG results.

phatalerror said:

I considered the possibility you were trying to throw me off the scent. After running the aforementioned combo for just three games, I found that my pass rush got very little improvement from El Toro unless I usered the defensive lineman, and that’s not something I would build my team’s abilities around. What I gave up for a barely better pass rush proved to be a grave liability for inside zone runs.

Of course, it continues to feel like every experience I’m having with my 99 OVR lineup lately is being skewed by RNG’s that align with DDA principles, so it’s possible my scheme is being diluted when tested under open conditions.

Because the best lineups are now full of abilities everywhere, it is impossible to attack offenses or defenses tactically, reducing the MUT experience to the outcome of a series of early RNG results.

Looks like a pretty good perspective to me.

I think he’s saying its all based on the playart, and nothing else matters. Squares on the playart are considered linemen.

So where does this take up in terms of abilities on the D line? Do we want two Defensive Rally players and Double Or Nothing on all linemen? Or even more Defensive Rally?

Filmsg said:

So where does this take up in terms of abilities on the D line? Do we want two Defensive Rally players and Double Or Nothing on all linemen? Or even more Defensive Rally?

I think one Defensive Rally and DoN is fine. If you have a player that gets a million abilities and want to put a 2nd D-Rally on him then sure. I wouldn’t invest much effort in it.

I mean in terms of the whole line‘s makeup. These d-line abilities are so confusing, and who knows which ones stack. It’s assumed Colossus is the best ability, but then does it stack with other abilities? Would Double Or Nothing trump the other abilities if you have the points? Or stack with them? Edge Threat outside, Interior Threat inside, PLUS Double Or Nothing on all? 
Or possibly all the free O-line abilities this time of year makes it all irrelevant.