Apparently worsening your team is now a 'method' to play Defense in MUT

ChuckCh0der said:

Yep its what people refer to as dda, its literally right there in the game settings.  Its why you can make a team of say low overhead legends with great traits play super human vs god squads  because it will bump their attributes up to compensate.  Your not crazy but EA shills will scream lies whenever anyone points this out.

I don't know if Mayz was referring to DDA or however its supposed to work but you were absolutely right in predicting that people would crawl out of their holes to distort the topic, attribute statements to me that I never made, and generally try to derail and delegitimize the discussion—all this despite the fact that I only referenced someone else’s video and the theory isn’t even mine. It’s honestly so funny. It’s always the same mind-numbing nonsense of 'you’re only saying this because you’re losing'—coming from solo battle warriors who didn’t even read the post.

PBateman said:

Hard to believe, but you still don’t get it.

I’m not the one claiming this works; I’m not the one who uploaded a video about it, either. And I—unlike you or the Dolphin bum—wasn’t the one trying to make this about winning or losing, fair or unfair. Not with a single word. Either quote me or stop putting words in my mouth when everyone can read the post.

It’s like you’re responding to something that wasn’t even said.

Why do you want me to prove anything? It’s as if the post offended you or as if you have a stake in this for some strange reason.

I merely pointed out that it appears this is a thing right now, and then went on to suggest a reason why that might be the case, if it even is.

So, what’s your problem with me or with what I said?

Weird reaction.   Not here to argue.   You started your post by saying it's a conspiracy theory and I'm merely suggesting the best way to prove it is to simply run the experiment yourself.   Who cares what the video said?   Just run the defense and come back here and let us know if it worked, that's all I'm suggesting.   

If you don't want to that's fine.   Not really a big deal and I have no problem with you as I don't know you and I don't have a problem with anything you said.  That's what forums are for after all. 

Hope you have a great weekend and I look forward to hearing about your success with this new defense if you decide to try it as I suggested originally

Moderator Sevein131 said:

Weird reaction.   Not here to argue.   You started your post by saying it's a conspiracy theory and I'm merely suggesting the best way to prove it is to simply run the experiment yourself.   Who cares what the video said?   Just run the defense and come back here and let us know if it worked, that's all I'm suggesting.   

If you don't want to that's fine.   Not really a big deal and I have no problem with you as I don't know you and I don't have a problem with anything you said.  That's what forums are for after all. 

Hope you have a great weekend and I look forward to hearing about your success with this new defense if you decide to try it as I suggested originally

Do you really hope he has a great weekend or are you just saying that to deflate the rest of your composition?

Daddy said:

Do you really hope he has a great weekend or are you just saying that to deflate the rest of your composition?

I really hope, want the same for you as well .  Everyone here should have a great weekend!

Well, I run an experiment I like to call a "DDA theme team" sometimes, every year. I did it this year a little over a week ago with fast, low OVR cards such as Nixon, Farley and whatever else. At the trenches, went for the biggest guys I could get who had at least 70+ speed. OVR was about 82, giving my defense the best cards within the constraints I set.

Ultimately didn't get the impression DDA is in the game. In previous years I would say there was a stronger case for it. Linemen played to their ratings much more than they did in years past. My OL got absolutely rekt and DL barely did anything. Even though in coverage my guys weren't terribly slow, they played like high school kids. Still was able to cook on offense with 75 Brian Thomas and 81 Engram repeatedly getting me 100+ yard games with 82 Bo Nix throwing to them. But defense was pretty much a lost cause. 

Ultimately went something like 4-10 doing this before I moved on. The 4 wins, as expected, were against weak players who refused to adjust and just HAD to do things the way they wanted to - for example, just HAD to throw up the seams and I easily picked them off there.

A good takeaway I got from this is if against a significantly weaker team, don't overthink it - just run the ball a lot. Good RBs, even if it's only free Rodriguez, will absolutely crush defenses with weaker tackle, strength etc ratings. Conversely, don't hit stick in those spots and just do a standard tackle.

antitwisted said:

Well, I run an experiment I like to call a "DDA theme team" sometimes, every year. I did it this year a little over a week ago with fast, low OVR cards such as Nixon, Farley and whatever else. At the trenches, went for the biggest guys I could get who had at least 70+ speed. OVR was about 82, giving my defense the best cards within the constraints I set.

Ultimately didn't get the impression DDA is in the game. In previous years I would say there was a stronger case for it. Linemen played to their ratings much more than they did in years past. My OL got absolutely rekt and DL barely did anything. Even though in coverage my guys weren't terribly slow, they played like high school kids. Still was able to cook on offense with 75 Brian Thomas and 81 Engram repeatedly getting me 100+ yard games with 82 Bo Nix throwing to them. But defense was pretty much a lost cause. 

Ultimately went something like 4-10 doing this before I moved on. The 4 wins, as expected, were against weak players who refused to adjust and just HAD to do things the way they wanted to - for example, just HAD to throw up the seams and I easily picked them off there.

A good takeaway I got from this is if against a significantly weaker team, don't overthink it - just run the ball a lot. Good RBs, even if it's only free Rodriguez, will absolutely crush defenses with weaker tackle, strength etc ratings. Conversely, don't hit stick in those spots and just do a standard tackle.

Great breakdown of reality.  It's scheme over team in my eyes as long as we're talking within a few ovr from top at any given point in game. 

I think where people get in trouble is expecting higher ovr to equal wins and that's just not the case most of the time.   You have to know the strengths and weaknesses of the players you have on your team and adust to amplify and cover each respectively.  Example is the topic of this post where players use cbs at fs/ss because of their coverage abilities and it would make sense for some to play fs/ss at slots for example due to higher shed and tackle abilities depending on play style.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

Great breakdown of reality.  It's scheme over team in my eyes as long as we're talking within a few ovr from top at any given point in game. 

I think where people get in trouble is expecting higher ovr to equal wins and that's just not the case most of the time.   You have to know the strengths and weaknesses of the players you have on your team and adust to amplify and cover each respectively.  Example is the topic of this post where players use cbs at fs/ss because of their coverage abilities and it would make sense for some to play fs/ss at slots for example due to higher shed and tackle abilities depending on play style.

FS in particular, I could see that. I tried out Winfield and sold him fairly quick - he gave up one play TDs repeatedly. Dunno what it is; many people would point to him being short, but that isn't the reason he was always repeatedly late in any type of coverage. I could see it being his garbage press rating, if that comes into play for a FS lined up as such when showing blitz (not sure how it works tbh) but, the new Mathieu card is uh, also 5'9", lol. Hamlin might be an ok card. But yeah, I could see subbing CB in at FS given this issue. FS kind of has a lack of viable options imo if you're not rich in coins. McKinney looks nice I guess.

Also, anyone who has played enough realizes it's scheme over team. I've lost to weaker teams run by sharks. I've also seen stacked as hell teams with all the latest cards complete more passes to me than to their own guys. I don't even really care what their team looks like, and look more at how they play. If they're better than me, cool, I'll learn and move on.

antitwisted said:

FS in particular, I could see that. I tried out Winfield and sold him fairly quick - he gave up one play TDs repeatedly. Dunno what it is; many people would point to him being short, but that isn't the reason he was always repeatedly late in any type of coverage. I could see it being his garbage press rating, if that comes into play for a FS lined up as such when showing blitz (not sure how it works tbh) but, the new Mathieu card is uh, also 5'9", lol. Hamlin might be an ok card. But yeah, I could see subbing CB in at FS given this issue. FS kind of has a lack of viable options imo if you're not rich in coins. McKinney looks nice I guess.

Also, anyone who has played enough realizes it's scheme over team. I've lost to weaker teams run by sharks. I've also seen stacked as hell teams with all the latest cards complete more passes to me than to their own guys. I don't even really care what their team looks like, and look more at how they play. If they're better than me, cool, I'll learn and move on.

I'm playing Dawkins at FS and he's been great there at 90 ovr.  Recommend him since he's free with grinding the pass of you haven't given him a shot.   I have 88 Kyle Hamilton at ss which is what freed Dawkins up at fs.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

I'm playing Dawkins at FS and he's been great there at 90 ovr.  Recommend him since he's free with grinding the pass of you haven't given him a shot.   I have 88 Kyle Hamilton at ss which is what freed Dawkins up at fs.

This is actually exactly what I have just started doing. Glad to hear it's working well for you. I actually prefer 88 Brown at SS - he gets 88 speed with the double breakout token upgrade and can easily meet the 90 zone/man thresholds. I like running match so I gotta have that. Hamilton is ok but with the low MCV, I prefer him as a subLB in the box, but considering all the LBs the game is giving out, I'm running out of spots to even play him at this point.

This might be true because had an insane lineup and won a lot of games. But when I played some lower overall teams I would get smoked. it could have been a skill issue on my part though🤷🏼‍♂️

I was there for most of the stream, so I just wanted to clarify what Mayz’s intentions were. He subbed in lower overall players on his defense because he wanted to test his theory of whether or not players with lower play rec, or maybe some other stat, played better in match coverage. He noticed higher overall players played far too aggressively, often leading to blown coverages. He ended up right though because those lower overall players definitely played sticker match defense.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

Anyone who believes what's being discussed in this thread, play with an 80-85 ovr team and let me know if you go on a winning streak.   Pretty easy way to prove it lol

i second this. it’s very clear EA wants to people to spend on their product.

To anyone who thinks that neither "momentum" or some form of DDA exist, I honest on my mothers life have had my kicker stand still for 1-1.5 seconds before taking his attempt to allow my opponent to block the kick. Its only happened once but it was at the end (of course) of a ridiculous game where my QB was throwing cross eyed and my dline were auto pancaked. Its not every game, or every play but this game will sometimes decide you should not win and will do everything it can to help your opponent. YES you can still WIN but that is not the point anyone i've seen is trying to make. If you disagree with what I just wrote I do not trust you either because you're an ignorant fool or because you are a shill. That said, it does not mean you need to like, or listen to every person who cries DDA, sometimes they are just bad, but not always.

Meldarion said:

To anyone who thinks that neither "momentum" or some form of DDA exist, I honest on my mothers life have had my kicker stand still for 1-1.5 seconds before taking his attempt to allow my opponent to block the kick. Its only happened once but it was at the end (of course) of a ridiculous game where my QB was throwing cross eyed and my dline were auto pancaked. Its not every game, or every play but this game will sometimes decide you should not win and will do everything it can to help your opponent. YES you can still WIN but that is not the point anyone i've seen is trying to make. If you disagree with what I just wrote I do not trust you either because you're an ignorant fool or because you are a shill. That said, it does not mean you need to like, or listen to every person who cries DDA, sometimes they are just bad, but not always.

The game is random as hell, but to imply or assert that DDA is to intentionally undermine team advantage is to also assert that EA intentionally programs and accomplishes such a goal. Clearly they fail at this everywhere else. I think anything further is perception and confirmation bias.