Pat Tillman TC can now get 95 spd

Deeeco said:

Cheers man. If I'm not mistaken the division champs cards don't get double chem so unless I'm missing something we won't be able to get it from him. Pretty sure they haven't thus far

Edit: Montana and Lucas, how are you finding them? The low strength worried me on Lucas and I have a bnd dak so wasn't ready to switch yet but I think that would get me there give or take

I'm totally biased, because i grew up watching Joe and Jerry -- that was my original goal when i set out to create my very first MUT squad, to attempt to recreate some of that magic from my misspent youth.  That being said, i still think Joe's (Traditional 1) QB Release style from M24 was THE best in the entire game, even better than the widely regarded Trad4 (Lamar) release.  That being said, QB Release matters a whole heck of a lot less this year.  I haven't found one that is terrible.

I've used both 95 Team Diamonds (Vince & Eli) and they are clearly better... but i'm as close to a statue in the pocket as exists in this game, so due to my personal playstyle, i don't really have any issues with these ridiculously slow QBs.  Obviously speed kills, it's a luxury or nice to have, but i'm not scrambling for my life, trying to loop defenders around to evade them.  I would if i were smart, but i'm stubborn enough that i continue to try and play real football, as opposed to merely playing Madden.  They are not the same thing.

As far as O-line blocking... STR doesn't seem to have all that much of an impact this year on blocking calculations.  I'm primarily concerned with the following; PBP, PBF & RBK.  Trying to hit minimum 90 threshold for all three.  The rest of the stats might as well be (mostly) meaningless.  I was half expecting big John Madden's weight to be an issue, but he's blocked fine.  Well, as fine as any blocking gets in this buggy ass game.  In a perfect world, all of my linemen would be 300+ pounds, but same with STR, weight seems to be a non-factor.  Last season (M24) it felt liek weight was upwards of ~30% of the overall blocking calculations.  I don't actually know the values, but that's my own speculation.

• Pass Block POWER = directly calculated against the opposing pass rusher's Power Move (PMV) rating
• Pass Block FINESSE = directly calculated against the opposing pass rusher's Finesse Move (FMV) rating
• Run Block = all run blocking feels terrible this year, defenders will often insta-shed and there's really no rhyme or reason to it, but in the past i would have told you that blocking was timer-based.  Now, i'm not so sure.

Montana is fairly cheap, if you can buy him for less than Training value, i'd highly recommend.  But again, i'm super biased.  Doubt it'd be much of an upgrade over Dak.  Any QB with Gunslinger is just fine, even (or especially) including the S2 Penix Jr.  If you want to scramble, basically ever -- Joe might be a problem.

DieDie410 said:

I have a triple TT so Tillman could have 96 spd on my team if I chose to upgrade him

But my personal favorite TC is Jason Witten

6'6, 260 lbs, great RBK and strength, and 92 spd. Absolute menace

Absolutely! Love the fact he has 3 chem slots. Witten is one I haven’t tried yet, still rocking aka Kittle, who has 92 with niners on my team. Usually the TC cards play better than their stats, Witten at 92 spd is probably better than Kittle, but not sure I’m ready to downgrade Tillman to do it. He gets a lot of pass breakups for me.

peatrick said:

I'm totally biased, because i grew up watching Joe and Jerry -- that was my original goal when i set out to create my very first MUT squad, to attempt to recreate some of that magic from my misspent youth.  That being said, i still think Joe's (Traditional 1) QB Release style from M24 was THE best in the entire game, even better than the widely regarded Trad4 (Lamar) release.  That being said, QB Release matters a whole heck of a lot less this year.  I haven't found one that is terrible.

I've used both 95 Team Diamonds (Vince & Eli) and they are clearly better... but i'm as close to a statue in the pocket as exists in this game, so due to my personal playstyle, i don't really have any issues with these ridiculously slow QBs.  Obviously speed kills, it's a luxury or nice to have, but i'm not scrambling for my life, trying to loop defenders around to evade them.  I would if i were smart, but i'm stubborn enough that i continue to try and play real football, as opposed to merely playing Madden.  They are not the same thing.

As far as O-line blocking... STR doesn't seem to have all that much of an impact this year on blocking calculations.  I'm primarily concerned with the following; PBP, PBF & RBK.  Trying to hit minimum 90 threshold for all three.  The rest of the stats might as well be (mostly) meaningless.  I was half expecting big John Madden's weight to be an issue, but he's blocked fine.  Well, as fine as any blocking gets in this buggy ass game.  In a perfect world, all of my linemen would be 300+ pounds, but same with STR, weight seems to be a non-factor.  Last season (M24) it felt liek weight was upwards of ~30% of the overall blocking calculations.  I don't actually know the values, but that's my own speculation.

• Pass Block POWER = directly calculated against the opposing pass rusher's Power Move (PMV) rating
• Pass Block FINESSE = directly calculated against the opposing pass rusher's Finesse Move (FMV) rating
• Run Block = all run blocking feels terrible this year, defenders will often insta-shed and there's really no rhyme or reason to it, but in the past i would have told you that blocking was timer-based.  Now, i'm not so sure.

Montana is fairly cheap, if you can buy him for less than Training value, i'd highly recommend.  But again, i'm super biased.  Doubt it'd be much of an upgrade over Dak.  Any QB with Gunslinger is just fine, even (or especially) including the S2 Penix Jr.  If you want to scramble, basically ever -- Joe might be a problem.

Cheers for the assessment. My understanding (albeit limited) was that your M24 understanding was also true this year. Now, it's all anecdotal isn't it but I struggled with madden getting tossed about so I put mckivitz back in and it was much better. I now use him at Lt and haven't seen a problem yet. Tbh, I too am largely a statue, it was more, stats wise I wasn't seeing enough uptick to justify the purchase. I'll take what you said on board though for sure

Deeeco said:

Cheers for the assessment. My understanding (albeit limited) was that your M24 understanding was also true this year. Now, it's all anecdotal isn't it but I struggled with madden getting tossed about so I put mckivitz back in and it was much better. I now use him at Lt and haven't seen a problem yet. Tbh, I too am largely a statue, it was more, stats wise I wasn't seeing enough uptick to justify the purchase. I'll take what you said on board though for sure

Stats are basically bullshit in this game -- nearly across the board.  Try not to get too terribly hung up on em -- most everything tends to work off of minimum thresholds, so once you hit that minimum value (which can be 85 for regular game modes, but 90 on All-Madden difficulty / Comp stuff, etc.) then many of the boosts beyond that are minimal, at best.  Basically, i'm trying to say that you are EXACTLY correct, comparing and contrasting Dak & (OG) Joe Cool.  Once your QB hits that 90 Short/Mid/Deep Accuracy threshold, it barely matters.  However, Throwing Power matters a TON this year.  The ball really starts to zip the higher you climb into the mid 90s.  It seems to operate more liek Speed than skill based stats.  Not that EA will ever explain the basics to us, i'm not convinced anyone working there knows how this game operates.

Obviously physical stats matter.  For USERS I want to focus on SPD, ACC, COD & height.  Fred Warner remains THE best user card in the entire game, especially now boosted to 93 SPD with 93 COD, standing 6'3" tall.  Obviously he's no Mad Stork, but i'm also not running Raiders TT.

Also, YES -- sorry if the team chems thing got confused before, i'm currently running 40/40 Niners + 20/40 Jets hybrid theme team.  Not sure full eighty is feasible (yet).

peatrick said:

Stats are basically bullshit in this game -- nearly across the board.  Try not to get too terribly hung up on em -- most everything tends to work off of minimum thresholds, so once you hit that minimum value (which can be 85 for regular game modes, but 90 on All-Madden difficulty / Comp stuff, etc.) then many of the boosts beyond that are minimal, at best.  Basically, i'm trying to say that you are EXACTLY correct, comparing and contrasting Dak & (OG) Joe Cool.  Once your QB hits that 90 Short/Mid/Deep Accuracy threshold, it barely matters.  However, Throwing Power matters a TON this year.  The ball really starts to zip the higher you climb into the mid 90s.  It seems to operate more liek Speed than skill based stats.  Not that EA will ever explain the basics to us, i'm not convinced anyone working there knows how this game operates.

Obviously physical stats matter.  For USERS I want to focus on SPD, ACC, COD & height.  Fred Warner remains THE best user card in the entire game, especially now boosted to 93 SPD with 93 COD, standing 6'3" tall.  Obviously he's no Mad Stork, but i'm also not running Raiders TT.

Also, YES -- sorry if the team chems thing got confused before, i'm currently running 40/40 Niners + 20/40 Jets hybrid theme team.  Not sure full eighty is feasible (yet).

Jimmy ward coming tomorrow which should help, will be getting myself one of them!

Deeeco said:

Jimmy ward coming tomorrow which should help, will be getting myself one of them!

Thanks, just saw that! Still have his 81 Platinum floating around my binder, just in case I need the team chems. 

• Mooney Ward 
• Sam Darnold (LTD)
• Jimmy Ward

Plus Big Cat (also LTD), for the hybrid Jets theme team portion of my squad. Too bad he won't get LurkArtist, that starts ON. Milkman is elite with that 0AP.

RyyoLurkedEm said:

i didn’t downgrade him… EA downgraded him with the new TC over all increase. He was able to be a 91 before and now ea downgraded mine to a 90 without giving me the token

Dammm nowww DAT is sum total BULLSHIT hummie😬😅😅😏

karmaklaw said:

(to settle the Tillman debate)Hi there since you were using Teo: after maxing your team captain pass, can you count how many tokens you have.  Or for example do you have one captain at 92 and another at 90 or 89?

edit: anyone who reads this and didnt use max Tillman last season, before the rollback can answer

I have Teo max’d to 92, and have captain Elam to 89.

RyyoLurkedEm said:

i didn’t downgrade him… EA downgraded him with the new TC over all increase. He was able to be a 91 before and now ea downgraded mine to a 90 without giving me the token

Same. But he was a blue 91, when he was a white 91 and his spreed  was the same even though he got downgraded

Y’all are sleep on Gerald McCoy I think he has 88 spd at DT. I swap back and forth with him and the SS

popo919191 said:

I have Teo max’d to 92, and have captain Elam to 89.

how tf do you guys have so many tokens? i have TC pass maxed and can only get my elam to 85 with max teo

Jhamp21 said:

Y’all are sleep on Gerald McCoy I think he has 88 spd at DT. I swap back and forth with him and the SS

I was looking at him on mut.gg the other day, he looks like one of the fastest out there. I’m sure he’s a beast. Currently I have MJG and MF Suh/aka R White (Playing oop). Im going to have to at least try him out.

I run triple theme team and he has 96 spd 97 strength

I have him at +3 teams eagles,49ers and and steelers chem!