A few of these new GT's look good.

Breakluna said:

I don't think the community would want both deep in zone and deep out zone ko on an item. For some reason deep in zone ko isn't as effective at forcing knockouts as the other kos. I think deep out zone ko would definitely be part of the ideal 2 ko DB. But the other ko seems like it depends on what that position does in your scheme. Which is why I would argue pick artist is a better choice for the second 0 ap ability.

It's tough to build good man cb without one step ahead or inside shade discounted. As someone who runs a man scheme, I'm not sure a GT with two 0 ap man KOs starts over Revis or Boldin.

But I'm nowhere near a top 100 player so maybe I'm off in my evaluations.

As someone who also runs man. It would take alot for me to replace boldin or revis aswell. Its highly possible we see a 0ap inside shade or OSA on one... 

Back to the 2 kos... I just don't like forced pick artist. Everyone says it would end up being 1ap because of PA I disagree. If I could have a card where I pay 1ap for inside shade, med ko, and short ko. I'd be thrilled. And truthfully I'd utilize a 0ap card with med ko and short ko fantasticly in my scheme. I have some PA on guys but not all of them and it's not an issue. 

To the zone kos. I don't see lots of knockouts from the deep in, agreed... But the range I feel like when it's on the guy the passive aspect they cover sooooo much ground. 

Now I wanted both deep zone kos on a safety. If we are talking a zone corner for sure deep+flat I'd imagine. 

Ya my overall point I don't like forced pick artist. Was my biggest issue with night train.

frostybirdman said:

I’m with you - everything I’ve seen says that Deep In doesn’t activate hardly at all for some reason. It has something to do with broken coding. Think Zan and Chuflocka both tested it early in the year. You’re right though, that would make the perfect cover 3 FS.

Cover 1,2,&3 and 4 too I think? I find myself as a half committed man blitzer cover 2 blitz aren't a thing and cover 0 is very all in. I have been out for 2 weeks from a surgery and I've played it's bad probably 150 h2h games... And my 0ap only has deep in zone has been playing like a god lol. It doesn't get the knockouts but he covers sooo much ground it's absurd.

GGerz said:

Deep In only works between the hashes, why am I spending ap to defend such a small part of the field. It’s lighting up for the reaction part of the ability, not the KO.

I would Spend 1 ap on Mid Zone. The card would be a perfect defender. Anything 10+ yard down field is going to be broken up. Helps with those quick throws down the seams. Reason way Deion was a top safety.

I agree the knockouts are non existent but the range and ground they cover is amazing I for sure notice a difference. And I change my scheme slightly daily trying to one day adjust and find something perfect... Deion tho has been my SS in about 75% of formations and essentislly my CB 4/5 in the other 25% in man from the SS slot, for a solid month now. He's a must have card on the field but not obvious for any specific role/position. It's wierd

Theserver20 said:

As someone who also runs man. It would take alot for me to replace boldin or revis aswell. Its highly possible we see a 0ap inside shade or OSA on one... 

Back to the 2 kos... I just don't like forced pick artist. Everyone says it would end up being 1ap because of PA I disagree. If I could have a card where I pay 1ap for inside shade, med ko, and short ko. I'd be thrilled. And truthfully I'd utilize a 0ap card with med ko and short ko fantasticly in my scheme. I have some PA on guys but not all of them and it's not an issue. 

To the zone kos. I don't see lots of knockouts from the deep in, agreed... But the range I feel like when it's on the guy the passive aspect they cover sooooo much ground. 

Now I wanted both deep zone kos on a safety. If we are talking a zone corner for sure deep+flat I'd imagine. 

Ya my overall point I don't like forced pick artist. Was my biggest issue with night train.

Unfortunately, I doubt we get any GTs with 0 ap osa or inside shade. Supposedly, GT makers weren't allowed to pick either of osa or inside shade for the 0 ap bucket. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on pick artist, personally I've seen my DBs with it make more than enough plays to justify it.

I still don't think deep in is good enough that most people would want it on a GT. Even if they cover more ground, the main thing that makes KOs so powerful in my opinion are the insane knockouts they can provide. You might be fine with it but I think a lot of people would be upset. I'd much rather see mid/flat zone ko if it's a second ko. Even a Man ko would be fine with me since I've seen some people make adjustments so some defenders play man in a primarily zone scheme.