Apparently worsening your team is now a 'method' to play Defense in MUT

antitwisted said:

This is pretty extreme thinking, likely due to bias. It is not 100% true, Jason Witten is not proof, nor is any case of weaker cards outplaying strong ones. DDA is not the only explanation when the game is made by lazy, incompetent developers. Correlation does not equal causation. Evidence or supporting of the case for DDA, sure, but not proof. 

DDA isn't the only conclusion that can cause this when we've seen plenty of terrible glitches go unchecked before reaching deployment, and often to the point of taking forever to be addressed. Or never addressed... subbing at the play calling screen for example, especially with a package..lol they maybe don't even play their own game. This example has been an issue with every madden for years.

Biggest case against DDA imo, at least being intentionally programmed into online play, is why would they do that? The one common theme is that EA is greedy as hell. Why would people wallet up for cards that don't even play better than pack trash? There may even be a potential class action lawsuit against overselling/overcharging for products less than advertised in there. 

However, the fact that EA IS negligent or lazy as hell when it comes to everything besides selling digital cards brings up a significant possibility imo. There have been sliders, momentum changes and difficulty adjustment settings etc programmed in just about every version of madden. So when EA states DDA is not in the game or affecting online play, it's possible they BELIEVE that, but overlook that it's actually happening in some cases. Possibly a glitch causes it to occur in some games it isn't supposed to. Would explain how it gets past their QA/QC, if they even have any.

You're not making sense bro.

Please explain to me logically how an 83ovr Ceedee Lamb can compete with cards NOW? 

Listen to what you're saying...A bug? Yeah right. You're grasping at straws bro.

There's no way an 82 speed RB and 81 speed TE (At the time) should outrun 90 speed defenders, not cook them on routes.

PBateman said:

This sounds like some real conspiracy theory type ish but bear with me. 
Mayz posted this video - and I had seen it in Champs and Gauntlet before - about how he deliberately puts CBs at Safety and vice versa so they get a rating penalty because they actually cover better that way in his 3-3Cub based Match. 

Now its impossible to prove this right or wrong but I've been in several games where Moss, Hyatt and Deebo have gotten completely strapped by way worse and slower cards. 
Not able to beat the press, not getting any separation with manual or auto motions, no separation on drags or slants, nothing. This could just be Madden being Madden but how about this theory: If higher-rated cards are more frequently affected negatively by DDA, this 'method' might make sense because you 'force' it to work in your favor. 
Mayz basically said that it sounds super weird and he has no idea why it is the way it is ('EA has some explaining to do'). 

Anybody come across this or is actually using it ?

this is starting to spread, especially with the contain blitz in cub/penny

doomsday7925 said:

You're not making sense bro.

Please explain to me logically how an 83ovr Ceedee Lamb can compete with cards NOW? 

Listen to what you're saying...A bug? Yeah right. You're grasping at straws bro.

There's no way an 82 speed RB and 81 speed TE (At the time) should outrun 90 speed defenders, not cook them on routes.

You say I'm not making sense, but your response indicates that you interpret me stating a significantly slower card keeping up makes sense. I am saying it is not proof of DDA; this statement is not the same as saying it makes sense that slow cards keep up.

I don't have the same experience as you and don't see how an 83 card is going to keep up. I'm not saying it's a bug, but the fact the programming in the game is as BAD as it is, there is more to explain this than DDA.

Maybe, in spite of route running on 83 Lamb being worse than the coverage ratings on say, 90 Johnson, RNG still dictates that even 83 Lamb wins there on rare occasion? And the game has to slow them down or do some dumb crap to make it work visually. As much as this may be frustrating, we do see nobodies torch elite DBs in the NFL all the time.

This isn't grasping at straws. I think you might want to take a deep breath and evaluate this in a different light. You seem really convinced this is DDA, disagree with anything else but so far, have yet to substantiate how this could actually be DDA beyond cards not playing to their ratings. EA only cares about money in the most narcissistic way. Terrible as it is, selling digital cards takes precedence over fixing gameplay issues. They have no reason to undermine that... INTENTIONALLY...

I’ll throw my hat into this topic as it comes up every year:
My suggestion for years has been to make squads great.  Madden is not a user vs user input game like mlb the show and it’s not a full 5 v 5 game like 2k(obviously different problems plague these games as well but at least it’s becomes a we didn’t play well and not my cards/cpu suck).  Its you throwing against  1 user and 10 cpu.  And you are relying on your cpu to do great things. The switch stick is a step in the right direction. It would help the game if  become a more user versus user experience. The pro have said they wouldnt mind but there is no money in it(local/weekly tournaments and mcs is not promoting it)  

Side note  on the topic of significantly lower overall player making plays: I remember several maddens ago there was a video that if you clicked on to a player you would get your players stats immediately but if you did not they would run and keep up in the realm of play so the idea was if you throw a pick and he’s trying to run it back for a pick six.  Don’t click on and wait until your guys catches up and then click on. Similar to mlb when trying to throw out a runner at first( they used to pick an animation that would make the play ”close” no matter what your 3rd bases throw power)

You say I'm not making sense, but your response indicates that you interpret me stating a significantly slower card keeping up makes sense. I am saying it is not proof of DDA; 

Yes it is. That's literally what it is.

doomsday7925 said:

You say I'm not making sense, but your response indicates that you interpret me stating a significantly slower card keeping up makes sense. I am saying it is not proof of DDA; 

Yes it is. That's literally what it is.

DDA as I understand is dependent on the user and their skill. Not on the content. It seems more likely a debuff would be applied to the user as they load into the game and in real time based on their performance. If DDA exists in Madden.

In competitive sports even the best aren’t the best all the time. Tyreek Hill can’t outrun everyone all the time and sometimes other factors put players in advantageous positions to make plays. You say your WR with 93 speed shouldn’t be caught by an 89 speed LB. I say I see LB and DE make plays and chase down people who are faster than them every Sunday. Good coaching, good play calling and awareness to name a few other factors.

Are you saying you don’t want a variance in card performance similar to competitive football? Or are you saying you don’t want factors other than the stats on the card to determine performance?

While many factors are essential to competitive play on the football field. Are those factors not essential to competitive play in Madden? Or just not wanted?

ItsmeD said:

Good day  

I understand what you’re saying, but those specific players that you mentioned they are well aware of certain plays that work built on you can say exploits or just knowing the timing and where to get rid of the ball now I was matched up against some very good players and I’d be down 2 touchdowns or more  but I’m still staying in the game just to try to complete some of the objectives and practice plays but suddenly  The CPU instantly sacked the quarterback and the ball fumbled to the ground. Then someone else will pick it up and run it in for a touchdown  And it wasn’t even me or I’ll score a touchdown kick the ball to them and the CPU will engage in a hit stick fumble and it’s my ball right near the TD or many times my opponent will score a touchdown and I will use that time to take a bite of my sandwich or take a drink of water or even look at my phone and all of a sudden the point has been blocked or even a field goal when I wasn’t even playing. 
 

All I’m saying is that I’ve seen some questionable stuff that has happened that has helped me get  wins

Yes  those players do know the best offense and defense set ups  ( KMAC does run off meta offense to some degree ) but what I'm saying so do their opponent's  .  They are not matching up with me or you .  So there on the same playing field is if you and I were to match up  .  I also understand  the game coding is not great and there are some weird plays but I think they are random  and sometimes go in your favor and sometimes go against you .   There is a reason Henry has won 1 million in earnings playing Madden , he is just better than others .

Massadolphin said:

My man don't argue with the DDA dudes  , They have to blame something when they lose games .

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170259177A1/en Explain this then. DDA can also help you WIN games. I've been playing MUT for 10 years, played hundreds of online games.

Daddy said:

Do you really hope he has a great weekend or are you just saying that to deflate the rest of your composition?

Have a great weekend!

antitwisted said:

I didn't say anything about OP's opinion either. But if it's ridiculous to argue that DDA or momentum is not in the game, then you'd better have better supporting arguments than "when these mechanics apply is absolutely unclear". You are contradicting yourself and your view with two consecutive sentences there. If you can support an argument for DDA, citing evidence, statistics, empirical data in some form, then by all means. However, something like "I was playing better than my opponent but suddenly the game worked against me, I got bad animations, blah blah" isn't gonna fly. It's a tale as old as the game itself and nobody has ever proven anything there. The game is full of garbage coding, so naturally, there are gonna be games someone simply gets unlucky.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170259177A1/en

Massadolphin said:

I'm not superior or elite I just don't blame loss's on  DDA , input lag , controller . When I lose it is because I'm not a better player than my opponent . Also if your thinking about the MUT forums at 3 AM  while drinking I think you might other problems than playing CB'S at Safety or DDA .

Oh boy howdy I've got binders of problems, thankfully reading comprehension is not one of them. Glad to hear you agree with me though!

I've lost two straight game in overtime, while my opponent threw 3 "should be interceptions" in both games. Not good players, lost to them. Ball literally bouncing off my secondaries hands. Yet, if I make one mistake? Interception. Literally this game does not like me, and thats on top of a bad connection where i can barely user my defenders. 

Game is trash and not enjoyable to play and be in a h-e-double hockey stick match every single game against inferior opponents. 

Trash product and yes I have clips.

Massadolphin said:

Yes  those players do know the best offense and defense set ups  ( KMAC does run off meta offense to some degree ) but what I'm saying so do their opponent's  .  They are not matching up with me or you .  So there on the same playing field is if you and I were to match up  .  I also understand  the game coding is not great and there are some weird plays but I think they are random  and sometimes go in your favor and sometimes go against you .   There is a reason Henry has won 1 million in earnings playing Madden , he is just better than others .

Good day  

I appreciate your input and it makes sense, but here’s an example of just my last game earlier today

I just finished a game earlier today where  most people probably would’ve smashed their controller , me i just laughed knowing what the game is but he had season one Christian McCaffrey as his HB and he’s down two scores then suddenly he broke a run up the middle of all things and none of my 90  speed Db‘s that were nearby couldn’t catch him , one looked like he purposely missed  as he came up short diving and why was he diving in the first place when McCaffrey was running up field at him made no sense, but he scored on that run now the whole second-half Christian McCaffrey just became a beast not to mention, he went for a two point conversion for the win. It was a run up the middle and my 88 ovr dt Suh couldn’t take him down nor did the other players instead season one Christian McCaffrey continued to plow his way forward and get in for two- points 

whatever happened about EA saying something about how size and weight would matter this year and yet in this particular situation it looked like it didn’t unless I was on some kind of sliders that people talk about and in this case, it most definitely felt that way being up 2 touchdowns and a person that just sat on his defensive lineman on the defensive side of ball and now in the second half was just totally dominating me running the ball not to mention it was the same run play that I was shutting down consistently in the first half 

I know  what I saw and these are the questionable things that continue to go on during these games online and had to head matches . Now I can’t really speak about the pros and how they handle these situations and when they notice something. I don’t have the time to watch their games. I catch a game here and there so I can’t really say , I’m just telling you what I see on my TV.

CobraMetalViper said:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170259177A1/en Explain this then. DDA can also help you WIN games. I've been playing MUT for 10 years, played hundreds of online games.

I know they have  the patent   ,   and I'm sure if it is used at all its  vs CPU  , if it was in H2H  , MUT  leaks would have uncovered it  . Also you realize if this was a thing every competitive  player ever could sue  and yes they would win .