Anyone agree that Base run plays need some work?
RB keeps running into my OG. OG, no matter acceleration and agility stats, just dont pull and get to where they're supposed to fast enough in my opinion.
Probably the worst run in the game now. In my opinion pulling OL needed coding work even in M22 and M23. This got worse this year, along with a lot of other things.
Anyone agree?
It’s the targeting. That needs to be consistent and effective (extra with ability)
Killerbuddaman said:It’s the targeting. That needs to be consistent and effective (extra with ability)
I dont know what it is.
It's just my OG on a base run play....should be out in front of my RB...
Instead my RB just ends up taking the handoff and if I dont "hesi" (hesitate)....I end up running into my OG before I even get to the line of scrimmage.
And I'm using Andrew Thomas at OG.
Some plays it works as it should. Id say a heavy majority it does not.
Surgical0ffense said:I dont know what it is.
It's just my OG on a base run play....should be out in front of my RB...
Instead my RB just ends up taking the handoff and if I dont "hesi" (hesitate)....I end up running into my OG before I even get to the line of scrimmage.
And I'm using Andrew Thomas at OG.
Some plays it works as it should. Id say a heavy majority it does not.
He’s not very fast. Acceleration is huge more important than speed imo cuz then the lineman fires out of his stance. It could also be you’re playing Thomas OOP so it affects his awareness. That’s why cards go down in overall when moved OOP. Try Dodson
I have a majority of my resource and focus on my o line. 3/3 combine for speed, pave the way strat, cross+creed for boosts, and most of my ap designation. 50/50 TT. Dodson is ~85 speed and high acceleration as well.
I used Nelson at og and he would get in the way constantly doesn't really happen with bolles at og
Ill try them. I just think the coding needs some work. Been an issue for years now. But anytning to make it better....ill try.
Base is ok for the most part IMO. The quicker the G the better obviously. I have Scherff (87spd, 86 acc, 87 agi) at LG and Van Roten (81 spd, 81 acc, 75 agi) at RG, and Scherff gets to the hole quicker obviously, but it's still not as good as I think it should be. But I make it work, even with Van Roten pulling.
The other linemen play into this I think, as if they get pushed back in any way, they'll get in the way and affect the play, which is why you gotta know when to call it. I should try Bolles at one of the G's, with his very high agility and COD. He does do well on counters where the T pulls.
Pulling OL for sure needs work (and this is where I go longform, so apologies). I love having my linemen pull, whether it's on Powers (which Base is), Counters or Tosses, and it's pretty hit and miss IMO. Counters in I Form are dumb, as the QB and/or FB will get in the way of the puller. It drives me nuts lol. What makes it worse, is in Strong or Weak, they work fine. Counters in Singleback also work fine, so I feel like the FB directly behind the QB under center screws everything up. Sometimes you can still get it to work as CPU defenders will manage to run into the body pile, but it's so ugly.
With Powers, the puller sometimes just gets lost. They often don't know if they should peel off inside, or keep going wide. ID'ing a Mike makes no difference. Pretty frustrating when you think you can get the edge with a lead blocker and he dives into the line inside instead. What's weird, is I see this more under center in singleback with TE and WR on strong side (think doubles (TE,---WR), or Y Trips/Trio (TE--WR--WR). If it's just Trips, with the TE by himself, it works much better. I don't get it. Even worse is when they get to their (correct) spot, then just run past a defender lol.
My favorite run plays, Powers where both guards pull get iffy at times also. One (or both) of them will just run right past a guy, aiming instead for someone either 5-8 yards up the field, or even worse, inside away from the play. Someone might say that's where Awareness comes into play, but it still happens now, where Awareness is getting to high-90's.
So yeah, pulling logic does need work, but I think they (EA devs) prefer it in it's current form. If they (pullers) behaved like they're supposed to most of the time, running really would be broken. Then again, most idiots just run Stretch, so it would only be a few of us that would take advantage.
FloorGeneral said:Base is ok for the most part IMO. The quicker the G the better obviously. I have Scherff (87spd, 86 acc, 87 agi) at LG and Van Roten (81 spd, 81 acc, 75 agi) at RG, and Scherff gets to the hole quicker obviously, but it's still not as good as I think it should be. But I make it work, even with Van Roten pulling.
The other linemen play into this I think, as if they get pushed back in any way, they'll get in the way and affect the play, which is why you gotta know when to call it. I should try Bolles at one of the G's, with his very high agility and COD. He does do well on counters where the T pulls.
Pulling OL for sure needs work (and this is where I go longform, so apologies). I love having my linemen pull, whether it's on Powers (which Base is), Counters or Tosses, and it's pretty hit and miss IMO. Counters in I Form are dumb, as the QB and/or FB will get in the way of the puller. It drives me nuts lol. What makes it worse, is in Strong or Weak, they work fine. Counters in Singleback also work fine, so I feel like the FB directly behind the QB under center screws everything up. Sometimes you can still get it to work as CPU defenders will manage to run into the body pile, but it's so ugly.
With Powers, the puller sometimes just gets lost. They often don't know if they should peel off inside, or keep going wide. ID'ing a Mike makes no difference. Pretty frustrating when you think you can get the edge with a lead blocker and he dives into the line inside instead. What's weird, is I see this more under center in singleback with TE and WR on strong side (think doubles (TE,---WR), or Y Trips/Trio (TE--WR--WR). If it's just Trips, with the TE by himself, it works much better. I don't get it. Even worse is when they get to their (correct) spot, then just run past a defender lol.
My favorite run plays, Powers where both guards pull get iffy at times also. One (or both) of them will just run right past a guy, aiming instead for someone either 5-8 yards up the field, or even worse, inside away from the play. Someone might say that's where Awareness comes into play, but it still happens now, where Awareness is getting to high-90's.
So yeah, pulling logic does need work, but I think they (EA devs) prefer it in it's current form. If they (pullers) behaved like they're supposed to most of the time, running really would be broken. Then again, most idiots just run Stretch, so it would only be a few of us that would take advantage.
That was excellent, do more.
Surgical0ffense said:I dont know what it is.
It's just my OG on a base run play....should be out in front of my RB...
Instead my RB just ends up taking the handoff and if I dont "hesi" (hesitate)....I end up running into my OG before I even get to the line of scrimmage.
And I'm using Andrew Thomas at OG.
Some plays it works as it should. Id say a heavy majority it does not.
The concept is to let the pulling guard create the lane. The AI is terrible at targeting unblocked defenders and will sometimes seal the defender inside so you gotta bounce it outside. The problem is you can't be patient because usually the backside gets blown up and you just gotta run outta there.
SosaChamberlain said:The concept is to let the pulling guard create the lane. The AI is terrible at targeting unblocked defenders and will sometimes seal the defender inside so you gotta bounce it outside. The problem is you can't be patient because usually the backside gets blown up and you just gotta run outta there.
This run and any run with pulling lineman has been trash for years now.
Years......
Trash for years.....
It's trash.
Time for EA to figure it out.
SosaChamberlain said:The concept is to let the pulling guard create the lane. The AI is terrible at targeting unblocked defenders and will sometimes seal the defender inside so you gotta bounce it outside. The problem is you can't be patient because usually the backside gets blown up and you just gotta run outta there.
Lol...you think I dont understand the concept.....
If the concept worked like it should....you wouldn't see a post about it..
EA is trash.
Besides 6-1 pinch and the OL can figure who to block....
They can even code a pulling OG to block.....
When they fix it... let me know....
Clint isn't fixing it. He is too busy in his Yacht laughing at us....
Prove me wrong....
Ill call and talk to Clint right now....
He wont answer...
"Hey Clint....why does my Cover 4 glitch agaisnt bunch set with streak/corner?"
"Hey Clint.....why have pulling OL been terrible in this game for 10 years now....?"
You might he afraid of Clint Oldenburg.
I am not.
I dont care. Not afraid of you
Let's go ....try me, Clint.
Surgical0ffense said:Lol...you think I dont understand the concept.....
If the concept worked like it should....you wouldn't see a post about it..
EA is trash.
Besides 6-1 pinch and the OL can figure who to block....
They can even code a pulling OG to block.....
When they fix it... let me know....
Clint isn't fixing it. He is too busy in his Yacht laughing at us....
Prove me wrong....
Ill call and talk to Clint right now....
He wont answer...
"Hey Clint....why does my Cover 4 glitch agaisnt bunch set with streak/corner?"
"Hey Clint.....why have pulling OL been terrible in this game for 10 years now....?"
You might he afraid of Clint Oldenburg.
I am not.
I dont care. Not afraid of you
Let's go ....try me, Clint.
I thought the problem you faced was the pulling guards timing. I'm saying his timing isn't the issue, it's the insta sheds on the back side. HB Power 0 from Pistol Strong slot is one of my favorite short yardage plays and I don't run into my guards.
Also I have no idea who Clint is.
SosaChamberlain said:I thought the problem you faced was the pulling guards timing. I'm saying his timing isn't the issue, it's the insta sheds on the back side. HB Power 0 from Pistol Strong slot is one of my favorite short yardage plays and I don't run into my guards.
Also I have no idea who Clint is.
The issue is the game is trash.
Plain and simple
And Clint....his prayers are answered on not on Twitter.
That won't last long, bud.
Clint is on his Yacht......he doesn't care......
10 years proven ....
He made his bed.....
now he can lay in it..
I do agree Madden 24 is ass now. They added broken abilities to an already broken game.
SosaChamberlain said:I do agree Madden 24 is ass now. They added broken abilities to an already broken game.
What?
I'm Clint Oldenburg.....whatever my name is....
Im on my Yacht......you live in my world 🌎.....
😆