Cards seem more expensive and money is harder to get?

blamppp said:

are people not just begging to be exploited by constantly asking for content and claiming they need the latest & greatest? people just have zero blame in the situation you are saying?

if they get coding done in india how is that any different? it's borderline strange to assume a coder in india doesn't have value or doesn't deserve to be paid. a coder is a coder, a graphic artist is a graphic artist.

people ask for content and want value in cards, the only way to make value on cards is to put them behind a pay wall and not have people trade, grind etc, because if you could obtain everything free, nothing would be worth anything and nobody would even care, the interest level would be down, but by creating a pay wall for the cards they retain value because you have to spend to get that top tier card, otherwise there wouldn't even be top tier cards at all

You seem really out of touch with things. No sense in arguing with that.

blamppp said:

are people not just begging to be exploited by constantly asking for content and claiming they need the latest & greatest? people just have zero blame in the situation you are saying?

if they get coding done in india how is that any different? it's borderline strange to assume a coder in india doesn't have value or doesn't deserve to be paid. a coder is a coder, a graphic artist is a graphic artist.

people ask for content and want value in cards, the only way to make value on cards is to put them behind a pay wall and not have people trade, grind etc, because if you could obtain everything free, nothing would be worth anything and nobody would even care, the interest level would be down, but by creating a pay wall for the cards they retain value because you have to spend to get that top tier card, otherwise there wouldn't even be top tier cards at all

Why can't  you understand that people want to grind if the rewards are worth it? In past MUTs, you grinded and got rewarded for it. The promos now are watered down and boring and they are just there because EA has them scheduled. No creativity whatsoever. We used to get packs, players, xp, coins, all kinds of shit. If you want to say " well it's the same thing just different format" then ok, get rid of this format and go back to the old one because this one sucks. Connecting everything to a pass isn't fun imo

I play and I spend money for guarantees I hate gambling throwing away money for nothing infuriates me. If a 100, 75, or 50 dollar pack promises a top champion with purchase and I have to cash and want the champion I buy. With that said I hope the new college football game brings back Dynasty mode 25 years out with no money barrier. I’ll drop MUT like a bad habit. I have always enjoyed college football more till the age of unchecked NIL and tampering made it less fun for the have nots of the sport. The end of NCAA football after 14 was sad for me and MUT has never filled that void. I would spend hours recruiting playing the CPU and building a powerhouse playing H2H is toxic as heck even this forum is most of the time

SportsPerson94 said:

Why can't  you understand that people want to grind if the rewards are worth it? In past MUTs, you grinded and got rewarded for it. The promos now are watered down and boring and they are just there because EA has them scheduled. No creativity whatsoever. We used to get packs, players, xp, coins, all kinds of shit. If you want to say " well it's the same thing just different format" then ok, get rid of this format and go back to the old one because this one sucks. Connecting everything to a pass isn't fun imo

how are you not getting packs, players, xp, coins etc though? 

harvest alone got you the 91, couple 89's and 88 etc. thats just 1 program. blitz had house rules, all madden had house rules all that has rewards? u just like challenges or what? u want your reward to come from challenges?

we are literally getting tons of rewards totally free.

answer your own question? what reward are you missing, say exactly what that is and how you could get it, and realize how crazy that sounds.

Nobodyfresh82 said:

Do you have any stats to backup a 50% loss in player base? 

I'd say it's the opposite, they probably have more people then ever playing which is why the packs and promotions aren't great. 

If they were losing players, you would likely see better store deals or field passes to entice people back.

Better store deals? Like 1/2 off the game itself... They're trying to get more people in MUT by discounting the title game itself. 

On every  most played list, madden has continued to drop since November. COD, NBA 2k, and now Fortnite have pushed it further and further down the lists.

Jhays45 said:

I play and I spend money for guarantees I hate gambling throwing away money for nothing infuriates me. If a 100, 75, or 50 dollar pack promises a top champion with purchase and I have to cash and want the champion I buy. With that said I hope the new college football game brings back Dynasty mode 25 years out with no money barrier. I’ll drop MUT like a bad habit. I have always enjoyed college football more till the age of unchecked NIL and tampering made it less fun for the have nots of the sport. The end of NCAA football after 14 was sad for me and MUT has never filled that void. I would spend hours recruiting playing the CPU and building a powerhouse playing H2H is toxic as heck even this forum is most of the time

If you guys are expecting the NCAA game to be different than i think you guys are in for a rude awakening lol. If you don't think EA will try to milk every dollar out of that game then idk what else to tell you

blamppp said:

how are you not getting packs, players, xp, coins etc though? 

harvest alone got you the 91, couple 89's and 88 etc. thats just 1 program. blitz had house rules, all madden had house rules all that has rewards? u just like challenges or what? u want your reward to come from challenges?

we are literally getting tons of rewards totally free.

answer your own question? what reward are you missing, say exactly what that is and how you could get it, and realize how crazy that sounds.

Wtf are you even trying to prove ? the only 91 Harvest guys i got were from Turducken legs. 88s and 89s bnd are useless to me and a lot of other people. HR rewards are absolute shit for the amount of time it takes. Seriously, wtf are you trying to do here? Go watch a MUT video from 18 or 19 and see how much content we had.

SportsPerson94 said:

Wtf are you even trying to prove ? the only 91 Harvest guys i got were from Turducken legs. 88s and 89s bnd are useless to me and a lot of other people. HR rewards are absolute shit for the amount of time it takes. Seriously, wtf are you trying to do here? Go watch a MUT video from 18 or 19 and see how much content we had.

why you mad though? madden 18 harvest was 93 michael irvin, we got a top tier moss for free right now, whats the difference? you have to buy irvin and get moss free, back then you got irvin free and had to buy moss. it's literally almost exactly the same rewards.

if you have to get a 91 harvest player from turduken legs? whats wrong with that? 

if 88's and 89's are useless to you, then you just choose to have high overall players, they are definately not useless in game.

blamppp said:

why you mad though? madden 18 harvest was 93 michael irvin, we got a top tier moss for free right now, whats the difference? you have to buy irvin and get moss free, back then you got irvin free and had to buy moss. it's literally almost exactly the same rewards.

if you have to get a 91 harvest player from turduken legs? whats wrong with that? 

if 88's and 89's are useless to you, then you just choose to have high overall players, they are definately not useless in game.

I'm not mad but i'm starting to believe it when other people say you're a troll.

blamppp said:

so you want people to show up daily to work and program & create graphics & content but you don't want to spend any money on a spend money style mode? you want bland & deion but don't want to spend money or coins to get them, how does any of that make any sense? you basically are crying about getting something for free, you want MUT to provide you with the best cowboys theme team for super cheap while you hoard coins and don't spend them or any money? 

so you don't care about the guy that created the deion or bland artwork? he shouldn't get paid? the people that announce & create the content shouldn't get paid? because you want to be cheap & hoard coins? I don't think that makes any sense and don't think that's the way things work.

it's also a catch22 for MUT creators & developers because they have people on both sides of the coins and both side just want the best cards / teams as cheap as possible while excluding the other side.

people in competitive and streamers want the best cards and you not to be able to afford them so they have the top team & content....... that same streamer you are watching cry about it to rile you up has the top player at every position and spends all the time. U think that guy is on your side but he's not.

I’m sorry I’ve been reading your takes all day and this is by far the worst. The employees who make the content are on a salary. As long as the game turns over a profit, which it easily does every single year off sales ALONE, employee pay will not be affected in the slightest. 

Believe it or not, when people pay $60 for the only available football game, they SHOULD have a good chance at getting any and all content in the game for free. I think the current MUT model would be completely acceptable if the game was free, but it isn‘t. Yes, people complain that cards are expensive, but nobody would if there were actual ways to make coins without spending money. With the introduction of BNDs and the complete lack of good free rewards from solos, there are barely any methods to make coins. It doesn’t help that EA is actively on top of any coin making methods becoming viable, and will artificially inject supply into the market on certain cards to counter them. 

They are even removing what little good rewards they had by taking out free legends and champ card fantasy packs from the comp pass. Sets stay profitable for maybe a few hours at a time, and playing the margins on the AH is a complete waste of time. Its a good thing that the most consistent way to make coins is a trophy pack from winning the Super Bowl, but when its pretty much the only method then it is terrible, scummy game design, especially when you consider how much BS happens in the gameplay and how a loss can be completely out of your control. 

The fact that there is a “spend money style” in a $60 game in the first place is crazy, but that’s how modern gaming is. The reason people are complaining is because it wasn’t always this bad. IDK if you’ve played previous MUTs, but with how much you dickride EA it seems like you haven’t. Before BNDs we had NATs, which were most of the rewards from solos and stuff. You could still put them into sets, giving people a chance to get set pieces for free and have some certain sets be profitable at least once, and it would make it much more feasible for a NMS to get a least one champ and per promo, which should be the bottom line. The bottom line now is a BND 85 ovr when the current max is 92s. 
 

You are so incredibly naive it‘s insane. The card art guys aren‘t paid based on how much the pack that their card is in sells. All of that goes to EA, contributing the billion they make off MUT each year alone. If you really did care about those guys you would be mad at EA for keeping the madden team so fucking small and keeping the employees overworked despite them easily being able to expand the team by 2 or 3 times and still make incredible profit. Part of the reason there is so much less content this year compared to others is because half of the already tiny team is working on NCAA!

i know this is an essay and it isn’t that deep etc etc but you are just so stupid

Cabbagg3 said:

I’m sorry I’ve been reading your takes all day and this is by far the worst. The employees who make the content are on a salary. As long as the game turns over a profit, which it easily does every single year off sales ALONE, employee pay will not be affected in the slightest. 

Believe it or not, when people pay $60 for the only available football game, they SHOULD have a good chance at getting any and all content in the game for free. I think the current MUT model would be completely acceptable if the game was free, but it isn‘t. Yes, people complain that cards are expensive, but nobody would if there were actual ways to make coins without spending money. With the introduction of BNDs and the complete lack of good free rewards from solos, there are barely any methods to make coins. It doesn’t help that EA is actively on top of any coin making methods becoming viable, and will artificially inject supply into the market on certain cards to counter them. 

They are even removing what little good rewards they had by taking out free legends and champ card fantasy packs from the comp pass. Sets stay profitable for maybe a few hours at a time, and playing the margins on the AH is a complete waste of time. Its a good thing that the most consistent way to make coins is a trophy pack from winning the Super Bowl, but when its pretty much the only method then it is terrible, scummy game design, especially when you consider how much BS happens in the gameplay and how a loss can be completely out of your control. 

The fact that there is a “spend money style” in a $60 game in the first place is crazy, but that’s how modern gaming is. The reason people are complaining is because it wasn’t always this bad. IDK if you’ve played previous MUTs, but with how much you dickride EA it seems like you haven’t. Before BNDs we had NATs, which were most of the rewards from solos and stuff. You could still put them into sets, giving people a chance to get set pieces for free and have some certain sets be profitable at least once, and it would make it much more feasible for a NMS to get a least one champ and per promo, which should be the bottom line. The bottom line now is a BND 85 ovr when the current max is 92s. 
 

You are so incredibly naive it‘s insane. The card art guys aren‘t paid based on how much the pack that their card is in sells. All of that goes to EA, contributing the billion they make off MUT each year alone. If you really did care about those guys you would be mad at EA for keeping the madden team so fucking small and keeping the employees overworked despite them easily being able to expand the team by 2 or 3 times and still make incredible profit. Part of the reason there is so much less content this year compared to others is because half of the already tiny team is working on NCAA!

i know this is an essay and it isn’t that deep etc etc but you are just so stupid

💜 i feel this.

Cabbagg3 said:

I’m sorry I’ve been reading your takes all day and this is by far the worst. The employees who make the content are on a salary. As long as the game turns over a profit, which it easily does every single year off sales ALONE, employee pay will not be affected in the slightest. 

Believe it or not, when people pay $60 for the only available football game, they SHOULD have a good chance at getting any and all content in the game for free. I think the current MUT model would be completely acceptable if the game was free, but it isn‘t. Yes, people complain that cards are expensive, but nobody would if there were actual ways to make coins without spending money. With the introduction of BNDs and the complete lack of good free rewards from solos, there are barely any methods to make coins. It doesn’t help that EA is actively on top of any coin making methods becoming viable, and will artificially inject supply into the market on certain cards to counter them. 

They are even removing what little good rewards they had by taking out free legends and champ card fantasy packs from the comp pass. Sets stay profitable for maybe a few hours at a time, and playing the margins on the AH is a complete waste of time. Its a good thing that the most consistent way to make coins is a trophy pack from winning the Super Bowl, but when its pretty much the only method then it is terrible, scummy game design, especially when you consider how much BS happens in the gameplay and how a loss can be completely out of your control. 

The fact that there is a “spend money style” in a $60 game in the first place is crazy, but that’s how modern gaming is. The reason people are complaining is because it wasn’t always this bad. IDK if you’ve played previous MUTs, but with how much you dickride EA it seems like you haven’t. Before BNDs we had NATs, which were most of the rewards from solos and stuff. You could still put them into sets, giving people a chance to get set pieces for free and have some certain sets be profitable at least once, and it would make it much more feasible for a NMS to get a least one champ and per promo, which should be the bottom line. The bottom line now is a BND 85 ovr when the current max is 92s. 
 

You are so incredibly naive it‘s insane. The card art guys aren‘t paid based on how much the pack that their card is in sells. All of that goes to EA, contributing the billion they make off MUT each year alone. If you really did care about those guys you would be mad at EA for keeping the madden team so fucking small and keeping the employees overworked despite them easily being able to expand the team by 2 or 3 times and still make incredible profit. Part of the reason there is so much less content this year compared to others is because half of the already tiny team is working on NCAA!

i know this is an essay and it isn’t that deep etc etc but you are just so stupid

madden was originally just regs.... so you think they should have regs & extra game modes free? and update those game modes all season long free? with that mentality they would just create regs and call it a day. I don't know how you expect people to have content & update all season long for you for free, how is that a working business model for anyone? if a person is on a salary it's still a whole company, the money doesn't just fall from the sky, work has to be done to create & move forward etc. that's the most naive sh*t on earth to think a company can just make mut and call it a day like they don't even work the rest of the year.

the spend money style is optional? don't play it if you don't want to, REGS and other free modes are still fully available for you to play.

your complaining about value, and sets, and nats, etc like we don't get alot of BND's, once again you can have a 89-90 overall team right now completely BND. the only difference is it's not created maybe through challenges or sets or the way you want it created, but it's the same difference, it's a top team. you can only go to maybe 92 right now anyway, so you can have a 2 step down full team for free just playing.

I never said the card art guys are paid based on how much the pack sells for, but you need to pay them to create packs?  you need that employee to have the content come out. your think it's a solid option to just discredit the fact a graphic artist has to make the cards?

very valid point about them keeping the MUT team small, I totally agree w/ that, they should have a much larger team and dedicate way more money to content and employees etc, 100%. 

but profit really has nothing to do with the debate, treating people different because they have alot of money is not a valid debate, either it's a direct issue or it's not, has nothing to do with the money.  if you feel like you don't get your money's worth, don't spend. that's any & everything in america.

and then you end everything with an insult, great way to debate a topic.

Cabbagg3 said:

I’m sorry I’ve been reading your takes all day and this is by far the worst. The employees who make the content are on a salary. As long as the game turns over a profit, which it easily does every single year off sales ALONE, employee pay will not be affected in the slightest. 

Believe it or not, when people pay $60 for the only available football game, they SHOULD have a good chance at getting any and all content in the game for free. I think the current MUT model would be completely acceptable if the game was free, but it isn‘t. Yes, people complain that cards are expensive, but nobody would if there were actual ways to make coins without spending money. With the introduction of BNDs and the complete lack of good free rewards from solos, there are barely any methods to make coins. It doesn’t help that EA is actively on top of any coin making methods becoming viable, and will artificially inject supply into the market on certain cards to counter them. 

They are even removing what little good rewards they had by taking out free legends and champ card fantasy packs from the comp pass. Sets stay profitable for maybe a few hours at a time, and playing the margins on the AH is a complete waste of time. Its a good thing that the most consistent way to make coins is a trophy pack from winning the Super Bowl, but when its pretty much the only method then it is terrible, scummy game design, especially when you consider how much BS happens in the gameplay and how a loss can be completely out of your control. 

The fact that there is a “spend money style” in a $60 game in the first place is crazy, but that’s how modern gaming is. The reason people are complaining is because it wasn’t always this bad. IDK if you’ve played previous MUTs, but with how much you dickride EA it seems like you haven’t. Before BNDs we had NATs, which were most of the rewards from solos and stuff. You could still put them into sets, giving people a chance to get set pieces for free and have some certain sets be profitable at least once, and it would make it much more feasible for a NMS to get a least one champ and per promo, which should be the bottom line. The bottom line now is a BND 85 ovr when the current max is 92s. 
 

You are so incredibly naive it‘s insane. The card art guys aren‘t paid based on how much the pack that their card is in sells. All of that goes to EA, contributing the billion they make off MUT each year alone. If you really did care about those guys you would be mad at EA for keeping the madden team so fucking small and keeping the employees overworked despite them easily being able to expand the team by 2 or 3 times and still make incredible profit. Part of the reason there is so much less content this year compared to others is because half of the already tiny team is working on NCAA!

i know this is an essay and it isn’t that deep etc etc but you are just so stupid

good post

blamppp said:

madden was originally just regs.... so you think they should have regs & extra game modes free? and update those game modes all season long free? with that mentality they would just create regs and call it a day. I don't know how you expect people to have content & update all season long for you for free, how is that a working business model for anyone? if a person is on a salary it's still a whole company, the money doesn't just fall from the sky, work has to be done to create & move forward etc. that's the most naive sh*t on earth to think a company can just make mut and call it a day like they don't even work the rest of the year.

the spend money style is optional? don't play it if you don't want to, REGS and other free modes are still fully available for you to play.

your complaining about value, and sets, and nats, etc like we don't get alot of BND's, once again you can have a 89-90 overall team right now completely BND. the only difference is it's not created maybe through challenges or sets or the way you want it created, but it's the same difference, it's a top team. you can only go to maybe 92 right now anyway, so you can have a 2 step down full team for free just playing.

I never said the card art guys are paid based on how much the pack sells for, but you need to pay them to create packs?  you need that employee to have the content come out. your think it's a solid option to just discredit the fact a graphic artist has to make the cards?

very valid point about them keeping the MUT team small, I totally agree w/ that, they should have a much larger team and dedicate way more money to content and employees etc, 100%. 

but profit really has nothing to do with the debate, treating people different because they have alot of money is not a valid debate, either it's a direct issue or it's not, has nothing to do with the money.  if you feel like you don't get your money's worth, don't spend. that's any & everything in america.

and then you end everything with an insult, great way to debate a topic.

WTF are you talking about??? When did I say to remove packs costing money?? Of course you should have an advantage over NMS players if you spend money, but it should never be the only viable way to get content. I literally never said everything should be free, you are just manipulating my words to fit your point. 

You’re right, the money doesn’t fall from the sky, it falls from your credit card when you spend $60 to PLAY THE GAME. And even if I did say that you should be able to get every bit of content in MUT for free, EA as a company makes so much that they could make that how it is for years and not break a sweat. 

They’ve been making MUT for 10 years now, and don’t tell me to go play other modes pretending like they haven’t just been thrown to the wayside. Yes, regs are the same as they’ve always been. But franchise and even just superstar has lost so much content over the years that most franchise players use mods (including me) to get a good franchise experience. 

We are even losing entire GAMEMODES now. No superstar KO and no gauntlet, and you are out here throating EA like its keeping you alive.