Defense is useless against gun bunch

elmango30 said:

again, the game with more skilled opponents is the one I wanna play. just about anyone in this thread can beat little Timmy, but you’re right that a good Offensive player is hard to stop. I just want to have good competition and on old gen I was running out of skilled opponents, a problem I’m sure you’re having, based on this conversation you definitely know what you’re talking about. Early new gen was fun before the elo caught up tho, lol

I believe the game feels more balanced, both the offense and the defense have their chances to make plays. Sure, there are plenty of skilled players on new gen, but I still think there are plenty of solid players who will give you that competition.

elmango30 said:

again, the game with more skilled opponents is the one I wanna play. just about anyone in this thread can beat little Timmy, but you’re right that a good Offensive player is hard to stop. I just want to have good competition and on old gen I was running out of skilled opponents, a problem I’m sure you’re having, based on this conversation you definitely know what you’re talking about. Early new gen was fun before the elo caught up tho, lol

I used to win about 70% of my games... and now I'm up around 80%.  I don't think I've gotten that much better in recent years... so that speaks to the decline of competition on old gen.  But there are still guys winning 90%+ on the leaderboard. which is crazy.  A few of them I can beat regularly because they run a tough but cheesy scheme which I can stop.  Then there are others who are just on another level with their stick skills on offense and defense.  I've messaged with most of these guys and they're in the same boat I am.  It's taken years to "git gud" on the old gen version and we just don't like how the newer game plays... so we'll go down with the ship.  

I have tried to make the switch whenever I get bored with the game.  The last serious push was at the end of M23... for the full month of July.  Everyone was playing with 99 OVR teams and yet defense felt way too sluggish.  Baiting your opponent into lurk picks was impossible unless they made a REALLY bad predetermined throw.  

Some day I might have to be the little Timmy on current gen... but not just yet.

Ducati0307 said:

I used to win about 70% of my games... and now I'm up around 80%.  I don't think I've gotten that much better in recent years... so that speaks to the decline of competition on old gen.  But there are still guys winning 90%+ on the leaderboard. which is crazy.  A few of them I can beat regularly because they run a tough but cheesy scheme which I can stop.  Then there are others who are just on another level with their stick skills on offense and defense.  I've messaged with most of these guys and they're in the same boat I am.  It's taken years to "git gud" on the old gen version and we just don't like how the newer game plays... so we'll go down with the ship.  

I have tried to make the switch whenever I get bored with the game.  The last serious push was at the end of M23... for the full month of July.  Everyone was playing with 99 OVR teams and yet defense felt way too sluggish.  Baiting your opponent into lurk picks was impossible unless they made a REALLY bad predetermined throw.  

Some day I might have to be the little Timmy on current gen... but not just yet.

Nah, those numbers tell me you won’t be little Timmy. It’ll be an adjustment, but if you can find defense and adjust to the user you’ll get those numbers back. I’ve always been better on defense than offense so an offensive madden is perfect for me

legendsrest said:

I believe the game feels more balanced, both the offense and the defense have their chances to make plays. Sure, there are plenty of skilled players on new gen, but I still think there are plenty of solid players who will give you that competition.

I definitely agree that there are solid players. I miss users being super powerful but theres a better balance between having the right coverage and a good user imo

SportsPerson94 said:

Thanks for the info dude. When i shade, how do i make sure it's not shaded for the next play? Like if i shade underneath, how do i make it regular? Sometimes when i shade underneath for example, it will be like, grayed out if that makes sense

im pretty sure it won’t be shaded for the next play, in zone at least. Not sure about man, I don’t run man usually

elmango30 said:

im pretty sure it won’t be shaded for the next play, in zone at least. Not sure about man, I don’t run man usually

Ok thanks a lot dude

Could run all gold defense this year n they would play the same as an all 94 d.

SportsPerson94 said:

That's my main issue. I really shouldn't have to run defenses like that in order to get stops. I have 99 zone and man all over the field and my players were better with 89 zone and man

No offense dude,  but it kinda sounds like you want your players to do all the work for you. stats on players won’t do anything if you dont play defense correctly. Stock anything this year is pretty garbage. To run man you need to shade correctly and to run zone you need to put out the right shell. In my experience very few people actually run the same play all game. Maybe they’ll call the same base play all game so it tricks you into thinking it’s the same play, but they’re actually putting out 5+ adjustments on the field.

Greggrig said:

No offense dude,  but it kinda sounds like you want your players to do all the work for you. stats on players won’t do anything if you dont play defense correctly. Stock anything this year is pretty garbage. To run man you need to shade correctly and to run zone you need to put out the right shell. In my experience very few people actually run the same play all game. Maybe they’ll call the same base play all game so it tricks you into thinking it’s the same play, but they’re actually putting out 5+ adjustments on the field.

Why would i be offended? When i do make adjustments, i just want them to actually do something. My opponent throwing into triple coverage on 4th and 15 and getting a 1st down isn't on me, that's the game. Or getting stopped by a 3 man front isn't on me either. Sometimes it is on me of course but i make lots of adjustments

There’s a reason why all the top comp players run this offense and dollar on defense. The cpu absolutely can’t handle  bunch sets so something is always open unless you make 5 adjustments and then they can flip formation and quick snap. 
 

I usually blitz and force quick decisions but if it’s a top player you’re going to lose  anyway so might as well go out guns blazing

SportsPerson94 said:

Yea, the meta shit that i really don't want to deal with. I rather keep losing than use a defense 95% of the community uses

I respect this comment so much. It’s always nice to see other players who don’t just spam use the meta crap

elmango30 said:

With zone it will change any flat to hard flats if you shade underneath. with man it will change like how the DBs will run in comparison to the route - shading inside guards crossers but corners will kill, outside the opposite. Shading underneath and pressing will have your corners press rating compete with the receivers release (a stat which ea keeps hidden for no good reason but you can find on mutgg). Shading overtop turns hard flats and soft squats to clouds and seam flats and quarter flats to curl flats. For the most part the blue zones are better than the purple ones, but if you wanna Mable you need to use both. Mable in madden is different from the Saban terminology. In saban it means a man assignment but when madden players refer to it it’s a deep flat zone and a shallow flat zone to guard the whole sideline

What do you usually have your zones on?

JStange said:

I respect this comment so much. It’s always nice to see other players who don’t just spam use the meta crap

Ty sir

SportsPerson94 said:

What do you usually have your zones on?

I like a few different ones actually. Match can work sometimes but mostly as a mix in. Beyond that I like 15s, 30-5 Mable or protecting the sticks