Defensive Rally/PR Points Testing

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MaxAlkaline said:

What about formations like Nickel 3-3 odd where you can shift your line backers. Do they get the pass rush point based on where they where when play was first called or after they shift?

So shifting doesn’t change anything. It’s all based on the play call/formation. If they are at a position that is a Square on the Play Art they will get the pass rush point.

Nickel 3-3 means 3 are DE/DT and 3 are LB’s (by formation). Only the 3 that are lined up where the DE/DT’s are supposed to be will get the pass rush point. The guy that is lined up as a LB will not get the pass rush point.

Another example is 33 Cub. There are five guys on the line but only the 3 in the middle will get the pass rush point.

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SlowAndSteady said:

So shifting doesn’t change anything. It’s all based on the play call/formation. If they are at a position that is a Square on the Play Art they will get the pass rush point.

Nickel 3-3 means 3 are DE/DT and 3 are LB’s (by formation). Only the 3 that are lined up where the DE/DT’s are supposed to be will get the pass rush point. The guy that is lined up as a LB will not get the pass rush point.

Another example is 33 Cub. There are five guys on the line but only the 3 in the middle will get the pass rush point.

Ahhh gotcha. Well dayummm I definitely been wasting my defensive rally. Been wondering why my edge threat dudes ain’t lighting up like crazy. Gotta go back to big nickel and over

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Great write up!

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Jackjack said:

Great write up!

Thanks man

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Wow big points. Thanks for testing

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kaotikords said:

Wow big points. Thanks for testing

For sure man

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Seems like as many free D Rally as you can get is going to be meta ASAP. Esp with everyone running DON

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kaotikords said:

Seems like as many free D Rally as you can get is going to be meta ASAP. Esp with everyone running DON

Yeah I’m trying to figure out my best D-line setup now. I run zone and with all of the 0AP Pick Artist I’m only using 2AP for two Deep Out Zone KO’s on my safeties. That gives me 10AP for the D-Line. I think right now I have 4 D Rally, 4 DON, 1 IS, and then Bruce Smith’s two 0AP abilities.

Going to test this for a bit and then switch it up with some ETE/ET and see what’s working better for me.

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SlowAndSteady said:

Yeah I’m trying to figure out my best D-line setup now. I run zone and with all of the 0AP Pick Artist I’m only using 2AP for two Deep Out Zone KO’s on my safeties. That gives me 10AP for the D-Line. I think right now I have 4 D Rally, 4 DON, 1 IS, and then Bruce Smith’s two 0AP abilities.

Going to test this for a bit and then switch it up with some ETE/ET and see what’s working better for me.

Yea most DON is still 1 AP. So you have at least 4 there (and maybe put them on OLB if they play). 2 DRs free through simmons? and Seymour.

I dont use IS anymore since its not like it used to be.

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What if your pass rush point are already maxed? I have not seen it add an extra one, so sometimes I feel like D rally is kinda useless (especially if you are maxed already) and sometimes it is helpful

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Martyr1968 said:

What if your pass rush point are already maxed? I have not seen it add an extra one, so sometimes I feel like D rally is kinda useless (especially if you are maxed already) and sometimes it is helpful

I often see a yellow bonus bar added to the full green so I’m pretty sure it does add one when the rusher already has full points

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This is the kind of thing that madden needs more of, I sincerely appreciate this post. There is so many posts that contain bad information / opinions throughout the different websites / forums.

Some “theorycrafting” here... In theory if I had 4 Defensive Rallies, that would guarantee DON lighting up on 3rd and 4th down as every point would be guaranteed to be restored? If you could guarantee massive pressure from 2/3 dons on 3rd and 4th down that may change the ball game here…

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sensicough said:

I often see a yellow bonus bar added to the full green so I’m pretty sure it does add one when the rusher already has full points

Ok I have not seen that....I have to lab this, thanks

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Davis36 said:

This is the kind of thing that madden needs more of, I sincerely appreciate this post. There is so many posts that contain bad information / opinions throughout the different websites / forums.

Some “theorycrafting” here... In theory if I had 4 Defensive Rallies, that would guarantee DON lighting up on 3rd and 4th down as every point would be guaranteed to be restored? If you could guarantee massive pressure from 2/3 dons on 3rd and 4th down that may change the ball game here…

Thats the problem. WE have to do this because they dont give us any numbers or anything to go by because then only certain cards would ever be chased and the 99% of other cards are just wasted.

They wont give us numbers or thresholds or tell us what things do to specifically combat this.

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MaxAlkaline said:

What about formations like Nickel 3-3 odd where you can shift your line backers. Do they get the pass rush point based on where they where when play was first called or after they shift?

It would just be the 3 linemen (DT and 2 DEs). Even though one of the linebackers is down at the LOS before any pre-snap adjustments are made, they're not considered a DE and therefore won't be granted an additional pass rush point.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize this was answered on the next page of the thread.

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