Dollar or 61

TheNickSix said:

I run 61, but I also tear 61 apart when my opponent runs it. So, I don't think it's that OP of a defense. I think it's very exploitable. I struggle a lot more with a good dollar defense, but again I suck at dollar and can't get stops when I use it lol

I mix in 61 too but mainly against 2 wr sets and goaline situations. It’s a good defense  but if someone is slicing me in it which I can also do a lot of the time against it. I don’t just continue to stay in that package, I’ll get out of that set quick and find something else in my arsenal that is more effective. I like 3-4 and 61 against single back/I form, BNOG against bunch/trips/trey/doubles,  Dime also for bunch but especially for gun tight and empty sets. It’s not that I think  it’s super OP it’s the fact that everyone thinks that’s the only defense that can work and if it doesn’t that person will just quit instead of learning/trying something else. In conclusion, makes me feel like I’m playing the same person every game which makes the game stale af.

jasonstone377 said:

I suck at this game. I try to play like a real football game.  I haven't memorized what every single defense or offense is going to do. It sure seems like my opponent always knows where I am throwing my next pass.  I guess I could watch pros play on YouTube  and learn what they do, but that seems like a bigger waste of time than a unic paying for a prostitute. 

This is my first year playing since 2004 and first time ever online.

Lol Agreed brotha, I feel like the only thing you need to memorize is the plays that YOU feel are effective against certain sets. I try to play it like actual football too, so say if they come out in gun bunch, trips, single back etc. Have a number of plays that you like against that specific formation. For example anytime my opponent comes out in a gun tight formation the first play I‘ll pick  is overload 3 seam press out of dime 2-3 Sam (Rarely have I seen this play against me) show blitz and  it can be very effective. Now say the next play they come out in a gun trey formation I like BNOG cover 6 invert show blitz and shade coverage accordingly. those are just a couple examples and do they work everytime hell no but I find plays/adjustments that I feel have the most success with. I can’t   just sit in some meta bullshit all the time it would be boring af to me.

jasonstone377 said:

I suck at this game. I try to play like a real football game.  I haven't memorized what every single defense or offense is going to do. It sure seems like my opponent always knows where I am throwing my next pass.  I guess I could watch pros play on YouTube  and learn what they do, but that seems like a bigger waste of time than a unic paying for a prostitute. 

This is my first year playing since 2004 and first time ever online.

I get ya for sure, it’s my 2nd year of trying to play online and I suck. Tried playing in a CFM league this year as well and got blasted as well, so its definitely how I play (or don’t play) and not just MUT. 
 

I’m definitely better this year overall but it’s been a steep learning curve and I’m far from competitive

Lacesout7 said:

Maybe run defenses according to the offensive personnel? you know kinda like real football instead of running meta defenses  that the pros use and 99% of the madden community. All these defenses are doing is attempting to  exploit the coding/ AI and make the game boring as all hell. If they run trips or trey I like cover 6 invert or cover 9  out of BNOG and shade accordingly (also like cover 3 cloud in some instances). If it’s gun tight there is some good blitzes and coverages out of dime. If they run single back/I form 3-4 and of course 6-1 is good. Bunch I like cover 6 trap. Doubles I like cover 3 buzz seam.. and always mix in different blitz packages to keep your opponent on their toes. Same goes for offense maybe use a wider variety of plays that pertain to the situation on the field instead of just running double post and rpos the entire game. I can’t wrap my head around how people have fun playing this game using the same 3 plays over and over again game after game it’s actually mind blowing.

What you said! I was about to type nearly the same response.

Line most have said it’s all dependent on what your opponent is doing.

I run 61 in against anything compressed and switch to dollar when facing spread formations.  Sometimes I get too stubborn and stay in 61 all game and try to over adjust

Lacesout7 said:

Maybe run defenses according to the offensive personnel? you know kinda like real football instead of running meta defenses  that the pros use and 99% of the madden community. All these defenses are doing is attempting to  exploit the coding/ AI and make the game boring as all hell. If they run trips or trey I like cover 6 invert or cover 9  out of BNOG and shade accordingly (also like cover 3 cloud in some instances). If it’s gun tight there is some good blitzes and coverages out of dime. If they run single back/I form 3-4 and of course 6-1 is good. Bunch I like cover 6 trap. Doubles I like cover 3 buzz seam.. and always mix in different blitz packages to keep your opponent on their toes. Same goes for offense maybe use a wider variety of plays that pertain to the situation on the field instead of just running double post and rpos the entire game. I can’t wrap my head around how people have fun playing this game using the same 3 plays over and over again game after game it’s actually mind blowing.

Dude exactly !!!

I remember playing madden back in the days

of 2009 and 2008

there was no YouTube 

or schemes 

you actually had to read a defense and use football IQ not just expose a coding in the game 

99% of pro madden players 

wouldn’t be able to play a lick of real football 

or actually break down a coverage in real life

I found have since the latest update, that my 6-1 has been playing better against all formations. I would say that 6-1 is definitely a better run and red zone defense.  

Dollar is a better Pass defense, but can get absolutely abused in the run game. I have angry runs on my rb, vanguarg BO and honorary lineman on Gronk. When ever someone attempts to stop that personal with dollar, it ends badly for them lol. 

So I would say that 6-1 is slightly better then dollar, because it can stop both the pass and run.

You wanna switch it up people will discover your scheme and pretty much expose it. In general id say 61 but some of it is preference and personal scheme based.

Lmacraw said:

Dude exactly !!!

I remember playing madden back in the days

of 2009 and 2008

there was no YouTube 

or schemes 

you actually had to read a defense and use football IQ not just expose a coding in the game 

99% of pro madden players 

wouldn’t be able to play a lick of real football 

or actually break down a coverage in real life

yes and no, yes it's cheesy that one defensive formation can play well vs nearly every offensive formation in the game. Yes, it is more exposed, and widespread because of youtube, but I've been playing back since 2004. When shit became popular online and you played against something that destroyed you, you were going to try and copy and emulate it best you could to either use, or to find out how to beat it. 

Neither 61 or dollar are unbeatable and there are ways to attack it. Pre-snap reads are also not really a thing in madden as 99% of people set their coach suggestions to base align, so really the biggest thing to look for is the safety rotation at the snap to determine 1 high or 2 high. Also with some of the crazy coverage adjustments people use like cross manning, 30 yard clouds, double mable, pre snap defenses don't tell you much and the better players can absolutely break down both madden and real coverages.

so many 6-1 cheese bums in here exposing themselves lol

AZCARDS said:

You wanna switch it up people will discover your scheme and pretty much expose it. In general id say 61 but some of it is preference and personal scheme based.

Not really, essentially all you are switching is personal groupings but if my OLB has the same coverage ratings as my slot CB, and they come with free lurk artist and a zone KO they will play just as effectively. If you use pats defense and can adjust even a little bit you can run any defense that you can run in other formations minus maybe FS zone blitz out of dollar. If someone is spamming corner routes, and I use mable coverages to stop it so they flood opposite I can still go back to a cover 3/4/6 from 61. 

It's kind of obvious that 61 and dollar are the meta defenses. 

This post was to engage in a debate of 1 vs the other

I understand it's annoying and the gameplay is stale because everyone runs the same 2-3 defenses. lol that is not what I was trying to debate

STRIKESHOT1 said:

so many 6-1 cheese bums in here exposing themselves lol

I mean, I run 61. It's not impossible to score on, and I'm not even that good at running it but it's also given me stops consistently. 

The post was to engage in a debate between what was better, dollar or 61

We already knew that it was cheesy and that this is the stalest year of madden gameplay to date because every game is the same.

mberezoski said:

I found have since the latest update, that my 6-1 has been playing better against all formations. I would say that 6-1 is definitely a better run and red zone defense.  

Dollar is a better Pass defense, but can get absolutely abused in the run game. I have angry runs on my rb, vanguarg BO and honorary lineman on Gronk. When ever someone attempts to stop that personal with dollar, it ends badly for them lol. 

So I would say that 6-1 is slightly better then dollar, because it can stop both the pass and run.

thank you for being the only person to engage in the discussion instead of just complaining about how bad madden gameplay is and how cheesy these 2 defenses are. I'm glad to hear someone just runs over dollar, every time I play against it my opponent gets crazy sheds and I end up 2nd or 3rd and long and have to pass. Realistically you should be able to just run dollar over, it's super irritating that a defense with 6-8 DBs on the field is the best vs run and pass.