I need a good playbook

peatrick said:

Sorry, my bad -- long day at stupid wr0k, apologies, i didn't mean to snap at you.  I have a tendency to ramble a lot and mix in wide-ranging (often irrelevant or unrelated) topics, so you question certainly was not out of line.  It's definitely Phillie playbook, which is most familiar and comfortable to me at this point, although both are very good.

Lemme know what you think of Phillie, it can take a bit to find the plays you are most comfortable with.  Definitely start with that HB Stretch RPO and see what you think, if it's good, you can build an entire scheme around it, plus have tons of other good options to fall back on if you need to go with pure / heavy passing attack.

All good bro

peatrick said:

On offense, or both sides of the ball?  You basically need (or will want to start working towards) five-wide Secure Protectors across your entire offensive line.  If you enjoy toting the rock, definitely check out Heath Miller or Bo Jackson (TE) or anyone that gets the Vanguard ability, it'll simply pancake your opponents blockers and open huge, gaping holes for you to run through.  If running just a single Vanguard, i prefer to have it on my TE2, as they line up on the strong side edge.  No reason you couldn't run both (dual Vanguard + Angry Runs and leave Bo QB naked, without X-factor)... but i prefer a mix.

I'm really enjoying the "Conductor" component of Bo's Master Tactician X-factor lately, it'll allow us to get off 2 quick pre-snap adjustments, then you can still quick-hike the ball and catch you opponent off-guard, so they're unable to make any real adjustments.  Pair this with Bo Jackson (TE) YAC `Em Up, this can make for a really nasty time defending Double Post... no pressure can get to you, otherwise you'll just dump it off quick to Bo in the Flats and he's gonna break the first tackle and take off for a huge gain.  There's not a ton of great offensive abilities, so really once you have the QB set and O-line, the rest is really gravy... entirely up to personal preferences.

Defense is an entirely different beast, KOs, KOs, KOs.

Ok ur saying get heeth with vangaurd, bo with YAC and will i be able to still get the stack with conductor?

TheChamp22 said:

Its both they the exact same pb

No.

elmango30 said:

No.

colts and eagles? tell me one difference and don't say punt fakes.

TheChamp22 said:

colts and eagles? tell me one difference and don't say punt fakes.

easy. One playbook they mentioned was jets and the other was eagles. Colts and eagles are the same. Jets and eagles are not, which is what you said

EazyBreezy said:

Ok ur saying get heeth with vangaurd, bo with YAC and will i be able to still get the stack with conductor?

Giving a few options or offensive philosophies to check out, whichever fits your personal play style. If you love running, Vanguard is the way to go. For quick passing attack, if you face a ton of blitzes (because who doesn't) then abilities such as YAC 'Em Up will help ensure you break the first tackle after a completion, it's quite overpowered, IMO.

But yes, you can have three X-factors active, pick your poison. I'm running Master Tactician on Bo (QB), Angry Runs on my HB & YAC 'Em Up on Bo (TE). Gives me a little of everything, I often use the run to set up my passing game. That may or may not work for you. 

Andrew Thomas from Sugar Rush promo is really good, a true end-game Left Tackle, he gets both Secure Protector AND Linchpin -- this will improve blocking timers on your entire O-line to help in the run game. SecurePro works against all the D-line X-factors such as Colossus & Unstoppable Force.

peatrick said:

Giving a few options or offensive philosophies to check out, whichever fits your personal play style. If you love running, Vanguard is the way to go. For quick passing attack, if you face a ton of blitzes (because who doesn't) then abilities such as YAC 'Em Up will help ensure you break the first tackle after a completion, it's quite overpowered, IMO.

But yes, you can have three X-factors active, pick your poison. I'm running Master Tactician on Bo (QB), Angry Runs on my HB & YAC 'Em Up on Bo (TE). Gives me a little of everything, I often use the run to set up my passing game. That may or may not work for you. 

Andrew Thomas from Sugar Rush promo is really good, a true end-game Left Tackle, he gets both Secure Protector AND Linchpin -- this will improve blocking timers on your entire O-line to help in the run game. SecurePro works against all the D-line X-factors such as Colossus & Unstoppable Force.

alright bet, I favorited all the plays you recommended and the players and gonna test it out when I get home

EazyBreezy said:

alright bet, I favorited all the plays you recommended and the players and gonna test it out when I get home

Good luck, man -- look forward to yer comments or feedback, hope I'm not leading you astray.  I think that Stretch Alert Lookie play is so good, you can honestly build an entire offense around that and the other (interior) run from the very same formation.  I try to have 3 or 4 plays from the same/similar formations, to give my opponent identical looks, hopefully keep them guessing.

But i also just very often pull randomly from my favorites, as you have set up.  Double Post and Verticals alone are enough if you prefer to keep calling the same couple/few plays over and over.  However YOU want to play, there's potential in that Phillie book, it's quite versatile, IMO.

elmango30 said:

easy. One playbook they mentioned was jets and the other was eagles. Colts and eagles are the same. Jets and eagles are not, which is what you said

oh he edited it now lol. originally it said eagles and colts which are the same.

At this point in the game jets is the better playbook because bunch str is better than bunch offset. sleeper playbook better than jets is bears, it has a better secondary formation in tight slots and has more rpos and unique formations to audible to to score in the redzone

Up until this year, i used the Saints offensive playbook since Madden 11 but they fucked it up. I use 49ers now

TheChamp22 said:

oh he edited it now lol. originally it said eagles and colts which are the same.

At this point in the game jets is the better playbook because bunch str is better than bunch offset. sleeper playbook better than jets is bears, it has a better secondary formation in tight slots and has more rpos and unique formations to audible to to score in the redzone

Bears is a great pick

TheChamp22 said:

oh he edited it now lol. originally it said eagles and colts which are the same.

At this point in the game jets is the better playbook because bunch str is better than bunch offset. sleeper playbook better than jets is bears, it has a better secondary formation in tight slots and has more rpos and unique formations to audible to to score in the redzone

TheChamp, fitting to his name, coming through with the up to the minute, relevant playbook information -- thank you for including a bunch of detail that i may have overlooked or otherwise not been privy to.  I honestly wondered how or why so many folks were ending up in the Bears offense.  I'd been tempted to go with the Jets, but honestly, i'd probably rather just retire than start learning a new playbook this late in the year.  I no longer have the stomach to put in the repetitions necessary to get decent, let alone even competent.  Perhaps things will change as we head into S6, i've been holding out hope all year for some type of Theme Team remix promo that will make our 50/50 squads relevant.  Peyton and Eli were a decent start, but i cannot afford nor justify the massive tax, plus both my beloved Niners (and the Queefs) get screwed on the +3 SPD TT bonus, which is only +2 SPD and +1 ACC, for whatever reason.  I assume because those two teams are already basically juiced from Superbowl promo.

peatrick said:

Good luck, man -- look forward to yer comments or feedback, hope I'm not leading you astray.  I think that Stretch Alert Lookie play is so good, you can honestly build an entire offense around that and the other (interior) run from the very same formation.  I try to have 3 or 4 plays from the same/similar formations, to give my opponent identical looks, hopefully keep them guessing.

But i also just very often pull randomly from my favorites, as you have set up.  Double Post and Verticals alone are enough if you prefer to keep calling the same couple/few plays over and over.  However YOU want to play, there's potential in that Phillie book, it's quite versatile, IMO.

played a season, went 5-0 but lost in a playoff game(36-33) 

I LOVE the scheme, I scored a lot more then I used to. 
 

my entire O-line(besides center) are tackles(either because I can’t afford it coin wise or AP wise)

I think ima take conductor off tho, like it, don’t love it. Will probably get it again when AP rises or it becomes 1 or 0 AP.

should free up AP to add more secure protectors 

but first impression, I love it.

EazyBreezy said:

played a season, went 5-0 but lost in a playoff game(36-33) 

I LOVE the scheme, I scored a lot more then I used to. 
 

my entire O-line(besides center) are tackles(either because I can’t afford it coin wise or AP wise)

I think ima take conductor off tho, like it, don’t love it. Will probably get it again when AP rises or it becomes 1 or 0 AP.

should free up AP to add more secure protectors 

but first impression, I love it.

Great feedback and extremely impressive run, considering this is your first time using the playbook in recent memory.  Rather than Conductor (2AP), i'm using 1AP Master Tactician and filling in around the edges with TE/Slot (maybe WR) Apprentices until those 9 plays activate to give Bo his full monty.  And the Master Tactician X-factor comes with HRM and Conductor baked in... maybe Playmaker, as well, but i'm too dumb to know how to properly utilize this, assuming it does exist and i'm not just conjuring that up.

And i'm with ya on running O-line OOP, i've got Andrew Thomas at Center.  Conductor can be a little situational.  If your opponent is accustomed to making a TON of pre-snap adjustments, the key is to force them to play with nearly stock coverages, by quickly making one or two adjustments, then quick-hiking them.  That alone can be a fairly massive advantage in H2H, but it's not as good as, maybe Roaming Deadeye, which will basically ensure 100% perfect blue passing on any attempts made outside the pocket.

But i'd tend to concur with you, more AP for Secure Pro is almost certainly the way to go.  No passing stuff matters if we don't have time to get the ball out.  I was finally able to add 2AP Omniscient to big Quenton Nelson (LG), been running all year without Identifier.