Is short in/out necessary to beat man?

MrAgentSochi said:

No card is broken. No card has been broken since Quadfather. If you know what you are doing then no card is broken for you.

Getting three game changing abilities for ONE AP isn't broken. If no cards were broken then you would play against different teams every time you queue up. You wouldn't see the same cards crop up nine out of ten games lol. IF the game was balanced. There is a VERY clear meta. If two players are equally skilled and one is using meta players and the other isn't... you get the idea bro. No amount of delusion on your part is going to cover up the shitshow that was Ultimate Team this year.

At this point in madden those two abilities are nessacery in beating man

Short In and RT do virtually the same thing, so you should stack SO and RT or SO and SI

Speedyforever said:

So I have the best receivers I can get. Is short in/out necessary to beat man coverage basically? Like do those abilities help them beat the coverage?

At you WR1 and WR2 positions when you’re not in a tight formation or basically just playing spread, short out is going to be the difference maker on slant routes (since they tech cut outside the numbers inwards and that will make the separation where short in will now come into play to just boost the catch animation. so here the ability to jump off the line and make that quick slant without being jammed or bumped by a pressing defender is really S-out , you then have the space to make a catch that gets some additional boost from s-in. Drag routes are not gonna be subjected to press releases and are all s-in. Finally any route that requires a clean release to the outside like a streak or a post route will benefit from -out  massively

peatrick said:

THIS^^ is the best, most comprehensive response available, IMO.  However, lately my decision-making has been somewhat complicated by the fact that Deebo gets 0AP Matchup Nightmare, which i'm finding triggers on 100% of passing plays.  What do i pair with that?  Unsure if it should be trying SIE/SOE, i've gotten accustomed to having Route Tech on all of my WRs, with either of the man-beaters (SIE/SOE).

How is matchup nightmare triggered when you face a man front where a DB is covering Deebo?

MrAgentSochi said:

No card is broken. No card has been broken since Quadfather. If you know what you are doing then no card is broken for you.

If you know what you’re doing Megatron and Flash broken

mmaa2417 said:

At you WR1 and WR2 positions when you’re not in a tight formation or basically just playing spread, short out is going to be the difference maker on slant routes (since they tech cut outside the numbers inwards and that will make the separation where short in will now come into play to just boost the catch animation. so here the ability to jump off the line and make that quick slant without being jammed or bumped by a pressing defender is really S-out , you then have the space to make a catch that gets some additional boost from s-in. Drag routes are not gonna be subjected to press releases and are all s-in. Finally any route that requires a clean release to the outside like a streak or a post route will benefit from -out  massively

thanks for the breakdown, but wouldn’t route tech apply to cuts either inside or outside so if you can get that at AP discount you can run that with S-in for the better catching animation, kind of the same way as doubling S-in/out? you would just sacrifice catching outside the #s

kendallmccorkle said:

thanks for the breakdown, but wouldn’t route tech apply to cuts either inside or outside so if you can get that at AP discount you can run that with S-in for the better catching animation, kind of the same way as doubling S-in/out? you would just sacrifice catching outside the #s

R tech is on your last cut of the route only and makes it quicker only not going to boost your chances of a catch or avoid a chuck

mmaa2417 said:

How is matchup nightmare triggered when you face a man front where a DB is covering Deebo?

Fantastic question, but i was running Deebo with only Matchup Nightmare and his star was basically lighting up on 90+% of passing plays (if not 100, but i could have potentially missed some things).  YMMV, but that's been my limited experience after <1 week with my shiny new Scarlet & Gold toy.

Speedyforever said:

So I have the best receivers I can get. Is short in/out necessary to beat man coverage basically? Like do those abilities help them beat the coverage?

If you call the right offensive concepts technically no but yes in Madden Abilities is how you beat man coverage
The thing i see a lot of inexperienced people make is not focusing on whats actually important in football not just madden.
Most guys wanna know what MADDEN mechanics  can help them win rather than understanding the fundamental concepts of football
Talk about just purely football concepts if you wanna beat Man Coverage

Weakness of Man Coverage is Long Developing + Crossing routes 

If you use the offensive concept technically you dont need any abilities
Abilities should really just a cherry on top.

Speedyforever said:

So I have the best receivers I can get. Is short in/out necessary to beat man coverage basically? Like do those abilities help them beat the coverage?

yes for sure def needed abillties run the game route tech and slot a matic is also nice short out plus route tech amost always is a free 5 yards

NEED them or RT or all 3

LeftHandUp said:

Getting three game changing abilities for ONE AP isn't broken. If no cards were broken then you would play against different teams every time you queue up. You wouldn't see the same cards crop up nine out of ten games lol. IF the game was balanced. There is a VERY clear meta. If two players are equally skilled and one is using meta players and the other isn't... you get the idea bro. No amount of delusion on your part is going to cover up the shitshow that was Ultimate Team this year.

DDA caries game flow of = matched players and the meta is the meta for a reason its like this every year its just how it is

MrAgentSochi said:

I wouldn't say that it isn't a debate as ROH Randy Moss and S4 Megatron exist.

Randy is insane for me. 

Noticeably better than Megatron in the majority of scenarios.