Keon coleman

Ducati0307 said:

On old gen I'm seeing  a ton of Goal Line offense with as many as seven Vanguards and William Perry as the HB.  Very frustrating to stop this when your opponent is happy taking their 2-3 yards per snap.  Gotta have your defense on point with Run Stoppers, Tackle Supremes, Reinforcements, etc. all over the field... AND be able to gap shoot.

Oh my goodness, i still have yet to find a counter for this.  I've been able to slow it down at times, but it really just requires an opponent to be successful on 25% of their runs to consistently move the ball down field.  Extremely frustrating to play against.  Even the Speed option (on Christmas) with QB Perry wasn't this miserable.  I've found DB Fire 2 does a halfway decent job, both my blitzing Slot corners are equipped with Reinforcement to try and give them a fighting chance.  I've been through my entire playbook, tried it all and nothing really counters those Vanguards;  Dollar, 4-3 Even 6-1, 3-3 Odd & 3-3 Cub, heck even Goalline defense from the middle of the field.

I've got basically all of the above, with the exception of Run Stopper -- saving a pass rush point on run plays isn't really a huge bonus, at least in my mind.  I am also on PS5 generation of console, i very much respect and appreciate you not terming PS5 as "next gen" since we're what, a couple/few years into this release cycle and already hearing about PS5 Pro potentially being dropped.  <3

peatrick said:

Ahhh, yes, thank you -- i DEF still have ole Billy Johnson as my kick returner.  Was using him in the Slot for a minute, he's even got a Charge Up Truzz X-factor on him, to hopefully try and help hold onto the ball during kick returns (almost said "punt" as well, but nobody punts in Madden, heh.  Except me)... he's been an absolute machine.

I'm sure the various Vanguards don't hurt, but Billy is finally returning really impressive kicks, on a consistent basis, which is something i've struggled with nearly all year.  I typically Return Right (regardless of which direction my opponent is kicking) and then follow big Trent Williams and the other Vanguard blockers.

I'd love if you (or anyone) could help fact check my kick return formation, as i might have some things mixed up.  Here's what/where my primary focus has been when getting players and positions dialed in:

• TE1, FB1, LOLB2, MLB2, TE3 (Speed)
• WR4, ROLB2, FB2
• KR2, PR2
• KR1

I've tried to ensure that everyone on special teams has 99 Impact Blocking with as many Vanguard players as I can muster.  Finally added Montez Sweat (as WR4) to give a slight additional boost, he also subs in for certain heavy / blocking formations.

This is great info. 

So this is how you set up your offense so that these players are represented in kick return

Airraidassassin said:

This is great info. 

So this is how you set up your offense so that these players are represented in kick return

I think most of the info I got is from Huddlegg, but remind me later if i forget and i'll try to grab that link to the full video, sorry i failed to include source.  I had those positions jotted down in my notes (Google Keep on my phone) so i could fiddle with my roster, but yeah... some things will vary slightly, for example i'm using my FB2 (big Trent Williams) as the PR2 slot under the Specialists tab, so that automatically removes the second layer person and i believe it has substituted in one of my TEs (in this instance, TE1, Mackey, who thankfully also has Vanguard).

I'm still fiddling around the edges, but yes the above layout is helpful towards understanding your roster.  You can quickly and easily test it in Practice mode, but i typically use one or two Solo Battles to quickly test out new schemes, even though even Legendary CPU tier is dumb as hell and not capable of playing against our cracked end-game squads, especially at this time of the year when everything is about abilities and X-factors.

Found it, i believe this is the video: https://youtu.be/e9Utr3xZkYQ -- i may need to go through this again to correct my above info, as i'm unsure which parts i got wrong, or that adjusted on my own MUT squad.

peatrick said:

Ahhh, yes, thank you -- i DEF still have ole Billy Johnson as my kick returner.  Was using him in the Slot for a minute, he's even got a Charge Up Truzz X-factor on him, to hopefully try and help hold onto the ball during kick returns (almost said "punt" as well, but nobody punts in Madden, heh.  Except me)... he's been an absolute machine.

I'm sure the various Vanguards don't hurt, but Billy is finally returning really impressive kicks, on a consistent basis, which is something i've struggled with nearly all year.  I typically Return Right (regardless of which direction my opponent is kicking) and then follow big Trent Williams and the other Vanguard blockers.

I'd love if you (or anyone) could help fact check my kick return formation, as i might have some things mixed up.  Here's what/where my primary focus has been when getting players and positions dialed in:

• TE1, FB1, LOLB2, MLB2, TE3 (Speed)
• WR4, ROLB2, FB2
• KR2, PR2
• KR1

I've tried to ensure that everyone on special teams has 99 Impact Blocking with as many Vanguard players as I can muster.  Finally added Montez Sweat (as WR4) to give a slight additional boost, he also subs in for certain heavy / blocking formations.

Yeah that's consistent with my knowledge of how the kick return unit lines up in mut 24 provided those positions are filled in your depth chart. 

For anyone wondering how to combat this you want MLB2, ROLB2,LOLB2,CB3,CB4, FS2, and SS2 with out my way or reinforcement.  I forget which positions exactly but you'll want high impact block on any of the positions on offense that play on kick coverage. You might still give up returns but it's better than nothing.

peatrick said:

Oh my goodness, i still have yet to find a counter for this.  I've been able to slow it down at times, but it really just requires an opponent to be successful on 25% of their runs to consistently move the ball down field.  Extremely frustrating to play against.  Even the Speed option (on Christmas) with QB Perry wasn't this miserable.  I've found DB Fire 2 does a halfway decent job, both my blitzing Slot corners are equipped with Reinforcement to try and give them a fighting chance.  I've been through my entire playbook, tried it all and nothing really counters those Vanguards;  Dollar, 4-3 Even 6-1, 3-3 Odd & 3-3 Cub, heck even Goalline defense from the middle of the field.

I've got basically all of the above, with the exception of Run Stopper -- saving a pass rush point on run plays isn't really a huge bonus, at least in my mind.  I am also on PS5 generation of console, i very much respect and appreciate you not terming PS5 as "next gen" since we're what, a couple/few years into this release cycle and already hearing about PS5 Pro potentially being dropped.  <3

Against Goal Line offense... I'm using Big Nickle Over G... either Cover 3 or Cover 4 Quarters.  If you pinch the DL and Slant them out, you can gap shoot many run plays (takes a bit of practice and timing especially against Power where you basically have to run just behind the pulling guard.   Still they can mix in FB Dive and flip the direction of the run... or the entire play... so you're not always sure which way they're going.  It's a very scummy way to play offense.

As for Run Stopper... I meant "Run Stuffer" the baked on XFactor that has the bowling ball icon which says "Block shedding is more effective vs. run plays".   I'm running it on Fiske, Peppers, and NItschke... and would also use Kearse if someone would put him up on the damn Auction House whenI'm online lol.