Massive Ban Wave

elmango30 said:

Your CFM sounds pretty restricting from a competitive standpoint, all 3 of those things are allowed in the NFL

Well, sort of but look at the QB nonsense in H2H. In the league I'm in the aim is to make it as realistic as possible to real football within the confines of an imperfect game. QB 'scrambling' in H2H is nuts with people essentially abusing the ability to gain an unfair advantage because of coverage limitations etc. Look at this year - QB Contain flat out doesn't work and if you just keep rolling out to the sideline until the coverage break then that's not realistic. Or fair. We allow scrambling but only if it's in the play art OR the play breaks down. QB's are allowed to roll out and they are allowed to run for yards if the play breaks or is a designed QB run. They're not allowed to just sprint sideways with no pressure.

The LB/DB rule is just that only LB's can play in the SLB spot on the roster. So DB's will play in Dime, Quarters etc but only an LB plays in the SLB slot. It works fine, most GM's just stick a fast LB in there but again, its just trying to balance the game a bit. I don't particularly agree with this rule and it is one that gets talked about as the real game has more and more tweeners but it's the same for everyone so no one is that bothered. You just need to be a decent User.

The 3 play rule just stops spamming. Everyone has their favorite plays but what NFL team would run the same one over and over? Madden has no in game logic to get wise to it like a real team would so we stick a 3 play block on offense and a cooldown on D where there are less plays to call. Most Offensive playbooks have 100+ plays so its not like you run out.

EightyOne said:

Well, sort of but look at the QB nonsense in H2H. In the league I'm in the aim is to make it as realistic as possible to real football within the confines of an imperfect game. QB 'scrambling' in H2H is nuts with people essentially abusing the ability to gain an unfair advantage because of coverage limitations etc. Look at this year - QB Contain flat out doesn't work and if you just keep rolling out to the sideline until the coverage break then that's not realistic. Or fair. We allow scrambling but only if it's in the play art OR the play breaks down. QB's are allowed to roll out and they are allowed to run for yards if the play breaks or is a designed QB run. They're not allowed to just sprint sideways with no pressure.

The LB/DB rule is just that only LB's can play in the SLB spot on the roster. So DB's will play in Dime, Quarters etc but only an LB plays in the SLB slot. It works fine, most GM's just stick a fast LB in there but again, its just trying to balance the game a bit. I don't particularly agree with this rule and it is one that gets talked about as the real game has more and more tweeners but it's the same for everyone so no one is that bothered. You just need to be a decent User.

The 3 play rule just stops spamming. Everyone has their favorite plays but what NFL team would run the same one over and over? Madden has no in game logic to get wise to it like a real team would so we stick a 3 play block on offense and a cooldown on D where there are less plays to call. Most Offensive playbooks have 100+ plays so its not like you run out.

Imo if in the NFL a team couldn’t stop a play a coach would just run it over and over again. Steelers beat the pats a couple years ago because partway thru the game we realized “they can’t stop a pitch counter from shotgun” and ran it like 10 times for 120 yards

I also think it's pretty excessive to ban people for competing with an oversight to compete with others doing it when it could be argued that it looks like it works as intended. The guidelines are to limit gold players and exclude silver. It looks more like a puzzle to figure out how to get in with a minimum actual  ovr required than something intended to limit too high ovr. That was my honest interpretation of it originally.

antitwisted said:

I also think it's pretty excessive to ban people for competing with an oversight to compete with others doing it when it could be argued that it looks like it works as intended. The guidelines are to limit gold players and exclude silver. It looks more like a puzzle to figure out how to get in with a minimum actual  ovr required than something intended to limit too high ovr. That was my honest interpretation of it originally.

^ this

if people were really supposed to just play like salary cap golds and silvers wouldnt have been limited. People are kind of assuming the intention

elmango30 said:

^ this

if people were really supposed to just play like salary cap golds and silvers wouldnt have been limited. People are kind of assuming the intention

The intention was to have an 81 overall team, without subbing or changing positions after the game started.   I hear they do this in FIFA and prevent the subbing of players so not sure why they didn't do it here.  That is if that is the reason for the ban, but with so many people it is what would make sense. 

If that is the reason for the ban, should EA have blocked subs and changes after you join, yes.  Are they within their right to ban people for circumventing the intent of a "salary cap" mode, yes. 

I think only a little time will tell what the bans were for and if they are legit or just error.  But i wouldn't feel sorry for anyone that was cheating and got perma-banned.

Nobodyfresh82 said:

The intention was to have an 81 overall team, without subbing or changing positions after the game started.   I hear they do this in FIFA and prevent the subbing of players so not sure why they didn't do it here.  That is if that is the reason for the ban, but with so many people it is what would make sense. 

If that is the reason for the ban, should EA have blocked subs and changes after you join, yes.  Are they within their right to ban people for circumventing the intent of a "salary cap" mode, yes. 

I think only a little time will tell what the bans were for and if they are legit or just error.  But i wouldn't feel sorry for anyone that was cheating and got perma-banned.

In the case of the waller I 

a) honestly don’t think that’s what got the bans

b) I don’t think it’s ban worthy

c) if they want people to play with low overall teams bring back actual salary cap. They had it years ago, I was ranked on it at one point. I loved it

It is definitely something to do with the waller event. Anyone I have seen post or friends I talked with have won multiple walkers

Nobodyfresh82 said:

The intention was to have an 81 overall team, without subbing or changing positions after the game started.   I hear they do this in FIFA and prevent the subbing of players so not sure why they didn't do it here.  That is if that is the reason for the ban, but with so many people it is what would make sense. 

If that is the reason for the ban, should EA have blocked subs and changes after you join, yes.  Are they within their right to ban people for circumventing the intent of a "salary cap" mode, yes. 

I think only a little time will tell what the bans were for and if they are legit or just error.  But i wouldn't feel sorry for anyone that was cheating and got perma-banned.

Being within your rights of the TOS and business ethics can definitely be different things. And this is a qualified case where they are different things, 100%. Do you really ban people for doing something you allowed, even if it was unintentional? Although this is all hypothetical because we don't know if it's because of the waller mode exploits, or the people saying they were banned aren't telling everything, etc.

elmango30 said:

In the case of the waller I 

a) honestly don’t think that’s what got the bans

b) I don’t think it’s ban worthy

c) if they want people to play with low overall teams bring back actual salary cap. They had it years ago, I was ranked on it at one point. I loved it

I loved salary cap. I wish they would bring it back and give us a pass connected to it with objectives too.

EA needs to ban these cheaters and rpo glitchers

hulksmashr2 said:

EA needs to ban these cheaters and rpo glitchers

Cover 2 with hard flats, user the run and man up the pass. It helps a lot

PS5 player here, and I'm fine. Only online I've played is House Rules (no H2H, no Waller event). I go crazy in Solo Battles (80+ to zero at times) and nothing has happened to me.

I played the Auction House like crazy last year on the app and was fine. Dabbled a bit so far this year, but waiting for the app before I really dive in again.

My opinion? PPL that got banned and saying they didn't do anything are maybe being  a little dishonest. Not gonna call anyone an out and out liar, but we gotta be real here: something triggered the wave, and not everyone is 'innocent' here lol. 

The attitude in here around the Waller thing is a good example: ppl saying there wasn't anything explicitly said about stashing good players and subbing them in are completely missing the point. They laid out what the event was supposed to be and y'all used an exploit to get around those guidelines. OK, cool. But now you can't be mad if they somehow figured out who did it and are sniping ya for it.

Same thing with the Auction House. PPL quick to say 'what did I do?' acting like all they did was sell or flip a few cards. I said above, last year I flipped like crazy and nothing ever happened to me. But I never took advantage of any EA mistakes (like when the LTDs were flying out of TVPs or daily 500 Gold buys in the store). And I never used the Trading Block for nefarious purposes. Yes EA gonna mess up at times, and there are obviously ways to mess around with stuff, but that doesn't mean you should. And if you do, well, don't be surprised when they catch  you.

At the end of the day, everyone gotta realize what we're dealing with here. Anyone watch South Park? How bout the one centered around Apple and Terms and Conditions? Nobody reads all that stuff (myself included), right? Well, I bet there's lines buried in there somewhere that says EA can ban anyone that they even 'suspect' is violating the TOS in any way. This ain't the court of law. Proof is not gonna be needed. This is their house. They can basically do whatever they want, and we all agreed to it when you checked that box and hit continue.

FloorGeneral said:

PS5 player here, and I'm fine. Only online I've played is House Rules (no H2H, no Waller event). I go crazy in Solo Battles (80+ to zero at times) and nothing has happened to me.

I played the Auction House like crazy last year on the app and was fine. Dabbled a bit so far this year, but waiting for the app before I really dive in again.

My opinion? PPL that got banned and saying they didn't do anything are maybe being  a little dishonest. Not gonna call anyone an out and out liar, but we gotta be real here: something triggered the wave, and not everyone is 'innocent' here lol. 

The attitude in here around the Waller thing is a good example: ppl saying there wasn't anything explicitly said about stashing good players and subbing them in are completely missing the point. They laid out what the event was supposed to be and y'all used an exploit to get around those guidelines. OK, cool. But now you can't be mad if they somehow figured out who did it and are sniping ya for it.

Same thing with the Auction House. PPL quick to say 'what did I do?' acting like all they did was sell or flip a few cards. I said above, last year I flipped like crazy and nothing ever happened to me. But I never took advantage of any EA mistakes (like when the LTDs were flying out of TVPs or daily 500 Gold buys in the store). And I never used the Trading Block for nefarious purposes. Yes EA gonna mess up at times, and there are obviously ways to mess around with stuff, but that doesn't mean you should. And if you do, well, don't be surprised when they catch  you.

At the end of the day, everyone gotta realize what we're dealing with here. Anyone watch South Park? How bout the one centered around Apple and Terms and Conditions? Nobody reads all that stuff (myself included), right? Well, I bet there's lines buried in there somewhere that says EA can ban anyone that they even 'suspect' is violating the TOS in any way. This ain't the court of law. Proof is not gonna be needed. This is their house. They can basically do whatever they want, and we all agreed to it when you checked that box and hit continue.

Once again, you can't ban people for subbing in players. It said you needed an 81 overall team to play a game, that's it. It didn't say you couldn't put in high overalls at backups. Maybe EA should make backups count against overall

SportsPerson94 said:

Once again, you can't ban people for subbing in players. It said you needed an 81 overall team to play a game, that's it. It didn't say you couldn't put in high overalls at backups. Maybe EA should make backups count against overall

Read my last paragraph. They can do whatever they want. And again, just because they didn't explicitly say it doesn't mean you should do it. You knew what the guidelines of the event were. You chose to skirt around them. Your fault.