NTL Lurk Artist?

Does NTL Get Lurk Artist? Assume he will with 97 jump

He gets pick artist already for 0 ap. LA is just pick artist on DBs since they can jump anyways. The "lurk" aspect of the ability has no impact on DBs. So basically LA and PA are the same ability on DBs.

ucwarrior said:

He gets pick artist already for 0 ap. LA is just pick artist on DBs since they can jump anyways. The "lurk" aspect of the ability has no impact on DBs. So basically LA and PA are the same ability on DBs.

Great explanation.  Always pains me when i hop into random games and see kids running Lurker on their Safeties.  EA doesn't do a very good job about communicating what these things even do, at least not from in-game menus.  It requires a fair amount of homework to understand even the basics of how this game does (or doesn't) work.

ucwarrior said:

He gets pick artist already for 0 ap. LA is just pick artist on DBs since they can jump anyways. The "lurk" aspect of the ability has no impact on DBs. So basically LA and PA are the same ability on DBs.

Doesn't look like he can get PA + DOZKO together? 

Champ Bailey and Randy Moss both get Lurk Artist, that's why I asked...

peatrick said:

Great explanation.  Always pains me when i hop into random games and see kids running Lurker on their Safeties.  EA doesn't do a very good job about communicating what these things even do, at least not from in-game menus.  It requires a fair amount of homework to understand even the basics of how this game does (or doesn't) work.

To be fair, Lurk Artist on Peppers at SS feels a lot different than pick artist on Bo Jackson at SS... maybe it's the size difference, but I feel like LA gets much better animations than PA

Rollhumps said:

To be fair, Lurk Artist on Peppers at SS feels a lot different than pick artist on Bo Jackson at SS... maybe it's the size difference, but I feel like LA gets much better animations than PA

That's probably because Peppers is taller, not because of the ability.

ucwarrior said:

That's probably because Peppers is taller, not because of the ability.

Moss seems to get better animations for me too… but who knows. Just not sure why Champ gets LA & NTL doesn’t.

Rollhumps said:

To be fair, Lurk Artist on Peppers at SS feels a lot different than pick artist on Bo Jackson at SS... maybe it's the size difference, but I feel like LA gets much better animations than PA

You're not wrong here, although i'm with you... i haven't been able to truly determine WHY, but next to Randy Moss, no other CB all year has come anywhere close to big Julius Peppers.  I ran him as outside corner, opposite Moss for way more than a month, both had identical abilities (LurkArtist + DOZKO for 3AP) and both are tall, fast, great ability stack -- but for whatever reason, Peppers typically would make more plays for me.  I didn't think height mattered that much this year, I had considered it a bit of a luxury, but gosh after having Carmichael hold down the middle, it's just ridiculous how much extra range these super tall guys get on defense.  Carmichael can basically guard 10-15+  yards deep (if not more) of the field, all while basically standing still hovering and lurking the middle of the field.

I'm just about to free up some additional AP on defense, i plan on adding PA back to Darius Slay, although he's been a really decent ball hawk, even without having PA -- for a while i'd been running just the 2AP DOZKO on him.  Ronde Barber has been showing up lately (in the slot), as well... but nobody compares with Peppers, which was your original point.  Curious what experience everyone else has had.  I was disappointed by Julius Peppers at SS, tried running him there very briefly, but he wasn't closing on deep breaking corner routes or coming anywhere close to the awesome stuff i was seeing from him at outside corner.  Perhaps situational gameplay stuff, wish i knew.

Rollhumps said:

Doesn't look like he can get PA + DOZKO together? 

Champ Bailey and Randy Moss both get Lurk Artist, that's why I asked...

At a discounted AP cost no, but you can still run PA for 2 AP and DOZKO for 1 AP. Have to change some things up on defense ability wise now.

peatrick said:

You're not wrong here, although i'm with you... i haven't been able to truly determine WHY, but next to Randy Moss, no other CB all year has come anywhere close to big Julius Peppers.  I ran him as outside corner, opposite Moss for way more than a month, both had identical abilities (LurkArtist + DOZKO for 3AP) and both are tall, fast, great ability stack -- but for whatever reason, Peppers typically would make more plays for me.  I didn't think height mattered that much this year, I had considered it a bit of a luxury, but gosh after having Carmichael hold down the middle, it's just ridiculous how much extra range these super tall guys get on defense.  Carmichael can basically guard 10-15+  yards deep (if not more) of the field, all while basically standing still hovering and lurking the middle of the field.

I'm just about to free up some additional AP on defense, i plan on adding PA back to Darius Slay, although he's been a really decent ball hawk, even without having PA -- for a while i'd been running just the 2AP DOZKO on him.  Ronde Barber has been showing up lately (in the slot), as well... but nobody compares with Peppers, which was your original point.  Curious what experience everyone else has had.  I was disappointed by Julius Peppers at SS, tried running him there very briefly, but he wasn't closing on deep breaking corner routes or coming anywhere close to the awesome stuff i was seeing from him at outside corner.  Perhaps situational gameplay stuff, wish i knew.

I run Peppers in the slot in Dollar in flat & hook zones with LA - does an amazing job covering 0-15 yards while having Moss on the same side. Looking to add NTL on the other side for 1 AP DOZKO (which I’m shocked he gets with his archetype). Was hoping he’d also get LA. But 🤷‍♂️

MrAgentSochi said:

At a discounted AP cost no, but you can still run PA for 2 AP and DOZKO for 1 AP. Have to change some things up on defense ability wise now.

Yeah. I’d have to drop both my inside stuff’s to run PA on him… I’m honestly surprised he even gets DOZKO at all given his archetype.