Player stats during gameplay?

Why on H2H my 86-87 speed players are getting fucked by 80-82 speed etc ?

also my line who is all 85+ can’t hold for nothing against all week defensive line players? 
 

im confused what’s the point of building a squad that is irrelevant? 
 

My players move in slow motion the whole game while theirs is on crack?

it’s like football. the better match up on paper is the favorite until the game starts. certain route combos/d line slants will work most times regardless of the overall unless the opponent makes their own adjustments to nullify. (zone drops/shading/sliding protection)

MomSpaghetti said:

Why on H2H my 86-87 speed players are getting fucked by 80-82 speed etc ?

also my line who is all 85+ can’t hold for nothing against all week defensive line players? 
 

im confused what’s the point of building a squad that is irrelevant? 
 

My players move in slow motion the whole game while theirs is on crack?

Ya, doesn't really make any sense how my 88 SPD running back (who is clearly the fastest player in MUT currently) can get hauled down consistently, from behind.

As far as the blocking goes, well -- that's the usual EA nonsense.  Everything is on timers, so offensive line play hardly matters.  The stats i would encourage you (or anyone, including myself) to focus on when rating offensive linemen would be; PBP, PBF & RBK -- obviously weight is a factor in blocking calculations, but how much, i do not know.  In a perfect world, all of our O-line would be at or above that magic 300 pound mark.

I'm not sure what the specific blocking timers are, but if you only rush 3 players, it can be as much as 4, 5 or possibly 6.0 seconds.  If you blitz 4 (or more) players, those blocking timers go down significantly, maybe more liek 2.0-3.0 seconds.  I guess my point here is don't stress as much about O-line play as much as we do with skill positions players.

The game is and remains a low-effort, broken and buggy ass mess.  Nothing will change unless/until the NFL decides to adjust the exclusive licensing rights that it has granted EA Orlando / Tiburon.  Not that 2K will be much better, but having actual choice (and i don't mean CFB versus Madden, they're essentially the same game) will always be good for us, as the consumer.

peatrick said:

Ya, doesn't really make any sense how my 88 SPD running back (who is clearly the fastest player in MUT currently) can get hauled down consistently, from behind.

As far as the blocking goes, well -- that's the usual EA nonsense.  Everything is on timers, so offensive line play hardly matters.  The stats i would encourage you (or anyone, including myself) to focus on when rating offensive linemen would be; PBP, PBF & RBK -- obviously weight is a factor in blocking calculations, but how much, i do not know.  In a perfect world, all of our O-line would be at or above that magic 300 pound mark.

I'm not sure what the specific blocking timers are, but if you only rush 3 players, it can be as much as 4, 5 or possibly 6.0 seconds.  If you blitz 4 (or more) players, those blocking timers go down significantly, maybe more liek 2.0-3.0 seconds.  I guess my point here is don't stress as much about O-line play as much as we do with skill positions players.

The game is and remains a low-effort, broken and buggy ass mess.  Nothing will change unless/until the NFL decides to adjust the exclusive licensing rights that it has granted EA Orlando / Tiburon.  Not that 2K will be much better, but having actual choice (and i don't mean CFB versus Madden, they're essentially the same game) will always be good for us, as the consumer.

Too much to read, but blocking is based on your use of turbo timing. Terminology stated anytime you hit the accelerate, blockers will automatically release to the next level of blocking. Only thing I can see affecting pure speed and acceleration in game is the stamina and injury rating, not that they'll get hurt, but point deduction, certainly.

Hhtmarks said:

Too much to read, but blocking is based on your use of turbo timing. Terminology stated anytime you hit the accelerate, blockers will automatically release to the next level of blocking. Only thing I can see affecting pure speed and acceleration in game is the stamina and injury rating, not that they'll get hurt, but point deduction, certainly.

Thanks, i'm talking more about open field speed -- after i have darted through a hole in the blocking, made my cuts (or spins) and off to the races.

Open field, my 88 SPD HB is regularly getting hauled down by random Day 1 cards.  No cap, i realize he's base 83 SPD, but Jerome Baker shouldn't be catching CJ2K.

peatrick said:

Thanks, i'm talking more about open field speed -- after i have darted through a hole in the blocking, made my cuts (or spins) and off to the races.

Open field, my 88 SPD HB is regularly getting hauled down by random Day 1 cards.  No cap, i realize he's base 83 SPD, but Jerome Baker shouldn't be catching CJ2K.

Yeah don't waste your time on anyone defending this game. They either work for ea or are blissfully ignorant. There is NO justifying any of it. God forbid you play a solo, all the 67 overalls will chase down 99 speed regularly.

SquishySoldier21 said:

Yeah don't waste your time on anyone defending this game. They either work for ea or are blissfully ignorant. There is NO justifying any of it. God forbid you play a solo, all the 67 overalls will chase down 99 speed regularly.

Yeah, at this point I completely understand that we're surrounded by, at best, EA bootlickers... at worst, well, basically what you already stated.

I also realize there is no such thing as "critical thinking" skills in the modern era, but my goodness. A person would need to remain willfully ignorant or be some sort of pathetic, twisted cuck to NOT have some serious gripes with the state of our beloved franchise. 

Obviously I'll give anyone a pass who is still within their first hundred, or so hours of Madden, but even my 11 year old realized liek 2-3 years ago (as a small child, mind you) that Madden was and is a broken, buggy ass mess. He plays Fusion Football inside of Roblox with all his friends and that appears to have more fun factor than MUT. But it's not exactly teaching them the nuances and intricacies of the great game of football. 

Ahhh well, writing these ranting and raving wordy paragraphs has a neat way of weeding out the riff-raff. If you can't or won't, for whatever reason, engage honestly and intelligently about the NFL on a Madden Ultimate Team focused forum, well... I'm probably better off not interacting with that individual, our priorities do not align. I swear half these kids never learned to read. Or simply lack the attention span to cobble together a coherent thought. We'll leave them to squabble over mostly meaningless stats that they clearly do not understand anyway. 

Oof.

I also recognize that not everyone is a grumpy old man such as myself. I can count the number of things I'm passionate about on one hand, for better or worse, 49er football remains at the top of this list. Have a little self-respect, we all deserve so much better for the price we're paying to engage with this pile of steaming 💩

peatrick said:

Yeah, at this point I completely understand that we're surrounded by, at best, EA bootlickers... at worst, well, basically what you already stated.

I also realize there is no such thing as "critical thinking" skills in the modern era, but my goodness. A person would need to remain willfully ignorant or be some sort of pathetic, twisted cuck to NOT have some serious gripes with the state of our beloved franchise. 

Obviously I'll give anyone a pass who is still within their first hundred, or so hours of Madden, but even my 11 year old realized liek 2-3 years ago (as a small child, mind you) that Madden was and is a broken, buggy ass mess. He plays Fusion Football inside of Roblox with all his friends and that appears to have more fun factor than MUT. But it's not exactly teaching them the nuances and intricacies of the great game of football. 

Ahhh well, writing these ranting and raving wordy paragraphs has a neat way of weeding out the riff-raff. If you can't or won't, for whatever reason, engage honestly and intelligently about the NFL on a Madden Ultimate Team focused forum, well... I'm probably better off not interacting with that individual, our priorities do not align. I swear half these kids never learned to read. Or simply lack the attention span to cobble together a coherent thought. We'll leave them to squabble over mostly meaningless stats that they clearly do not understand anyway. 

Oof.

I also recognize that not everyone is a grumpy old man such as myself. I can count the number of things I'm passionate about on one hand, for better or worse, 49er football remains at the top of this list. Have a little self-respect, we all deserve so much better for the price we're paying to engage with this pile of steaming 💩

Amen.

"I swear half these kids never learned to read." 

 I thought the actual stats depending on where you are was higher.  Maybe I am thinking math and reading comprehension.  It is hard to keep track of the INTENTIONAL failings our education system has forced upon the kids.  I am surprised they are as functional as they are.  When they realize what was done to them and by design, I can't imagine what will occur.  Tip - find out where  the people crying out most about how great a job public schools are doing and why under no circumstances do we need accountability send their own children.  In fact look at almost any of their public positions, and compare it to what all of them do in their own lives - when it gets real in other words - what they advocate for is the opposite of what they do.

"I also realize there is no such thing as "critical thinking" skills in the modern era"  -  See above.

Now I am doing what I hate most.  I apologize.   This is a forum for a football game.  So lets get back to it.

I never thought I would see the day I would see a 49er fan as anything but my enemy.  Cowboys and 49ers were rivals all though the 90s.  My brothers LOVED the 49ers and I of course was the homer.  Even during 1-15 season ( 89?) when I was 13 years old and knew nothing more than I live in Dallas - silver and blue = Dallas.  Red and gold or any other combination of colors = not home team.  

Then we got good while I was in and graduated high school winning 3 Superbowl's.  I did not understand that I would never see Dallas do that again at the time.  It looks like if Jerry will not hire a coach and let him coach this will not change.  I had high hopes when Parcells was the HC.  Even he got fed up.  Running off Jimmy Johnson was one of the worst moves in the history of football.  And now it seems Jerry did not even try to get Bill Belichick.  The greatest coach in the history of the game perhaps.  

So thank you peatrick, you have done the impossible.  If you exclude my little brothers that is.

Speaking of stats.  Meaning number of rush attempts, etc.  They not only seem to be unable to do this anymore, ( keep accurate stats, pretty basic) but do worse than that.  Some situations, you drop into a challenge for example and they have stuffed stats in that I guess we are to believe represent what has already occurred during the game prior to you taking control.

What is the purpose of that.  It is more work ( all though it is most likely just a copy and paste) for them and it makes keeping track of what you have done towards what ever stat you are working at far more difficult than it should be. Oh wait that is it.  

Instead of seeing how many rushes you have done, you are seeing how many you have added to what ever the stats started at.  The stats should all be zero when you take control.  Dunno if I am able to explain this correctly.  Figure since this is a pain in everyone's ass you know what I mean.

What is the purpose of this?

bazookaokc said:

Speaking of stats.  Meaning number of rush attempts, etc.  They not only seem to be unable to do this anymore, ( keep accurate stats, pretty basic) but do worse than that.  Some situations, you drop into a challenge for example and they have stuffed stats in that I guess we are to believe represent what has already occurred during the game prior to you taking control.

What is the purpose of that.  It is more work ( all though it is most likely just a copy and paste) for them and it makes keeping track of what you have done towards what ever stat you are working at far more difficult than it should be. Oh wait that is it.  

Instead of seeing how many rushes you have done, you are seeing how many you have added to what ever the stats started at.  The stats should all be zero when you take control.  Dunno if I am able to explain this correctly.  Figure since this is a pain in everyone's ass you know what I mean.

What is the purpose of this?

I know exactly what you mean (about Challenges and in-game statistics during an "ongoing" game when we're dropped into the middle, often the second half).  Before i get off on any number of tangents and almost certainly wind up hammering out yet another in a long series of unhinged, stream of consciousness style ranting and raving as i tend to do, hail and well met!  It wasn't long ago that i had a strict "no-Cowgrrls" policy on ye ole MUT theme team, but i softened last year after that Emmitt Smith came out and i was absolutely dying to finally try Angry Runs.  Tis an immense pleasure to cross paths with someone using spelling, punctuation and actual grammar.  As opposed to the vastly more typical reaction, "i ain't reading all them words."  I wish i were making that up.

Anyhoo, there are soooo many glaring issues with the game, i have been seriously annoyed and confounded by the weird stat keeping, but i hand-wave that type stuff away with the whole "EA Logic" explanation.

Was fully intending to respond to your wonderful, well-written posts in reverse order, but I just got slapped with an incredibly time intensive task that is due today, so I probably should be wasting less time and focus on productivity.  Gotta be a good little corporate drone.  Seems our simulation fatball game does a decent job approximating that aspect of the NFL, salary cap just keeps going up.  These MUT squads aren't going to fund themselves, oof.  I'm not here to get a MUT Economics degree, although I am guilty of wasting some significant amounts of time trolling the auction house, but it's rarely a fun or enjoyable experience, just more in a long series of compulsive behaviors I should try to rid myself of.

Your whole "copy and paste" theory is so ridiculously spot-on, probably way more than either of us will ever truly know.  I think we'll have some indication of just how close CFB25 and M25 are, in terms of copy and paste once we see the first patch.  I noticed my PS5 updated College just the other day, so i went to take a peak at patch notes and was fairly impressed.  They didn't truly "fix" the route stem glitches, per se, but they at least removed the ability to Smart Route (R1 on PlayStation, uhhh right bumper on Xbox?) which at least prevents the glitch, while EA tries to implement an actual, proper solution.  I fully expect we'll see some, if not many/most of these items filtering into Madden.  Then we'll have some actual data to demonstrate how identical these games are.

Til we meet again, my good sir.  I'm glad we at least got that one incredible year with Deion to break up your reign throughout the Nineties -- i didn't realize how good i had it growing up, getting to witness four out of the five glorious times we hoisted that trophy.  I was alive for the first against the Bengals, but was such a small child i have no actual memories of 1982 season.  I'm so sick of the modern crop of bandwagon jumping Niner fans and how they're content to just remain relevant.  We don't hang banners for NFC Conference Championships, bleh.  Similar to Madden, i have much more respect for people who have a little self-respect and some modicum of basic standards.  Although, i also understand that not everyone can or will appreciate quality.  Thankfully, there are franchises liek the Detroit Lions for those types of people.

I will admit I LOVE when Campbell was hired.  That alone made me a Lion's fan.  I don't think I was self aware of that until now.  "I am a Lion's fan"

That feels good.  The dysfunctional leadership of the past  - you have Barry Sanders ( Went to college right here - I had to do a relocation North of Big D), and I feel they wasted one of the greatest players ever - he also had the greatest touchdown celebration I have ever seen ( inside joke for you there ).  "hail and well met!" tells me a lot more than it looks like.

Gonna keep an eye on you.  

" Before i get off on any number of tangents and almost certainly wind up hammering out yet another in a long series of unhinged, stream of consciousness style ranting and raving as i tend to do"

No!!!  Please do exactly that.  Your post - and now I will hunt more down - gave me far more enjoyment than I would care to admit out loud.  It is our duty to build each other up and try to stay sane in an insane world.  

Peatrick  I appreciate you.  Thank you for the kind words.  It is terrifying that anything close to your following statement could be used to describe me - " Tis an immense pleasure to cross paths with someone using spelling, punctuation and actual grammar. "

Spelling is one of my biggest weakness's.  I could not diagram a sentence and I am not sure I could even explain the concept.  I am mostly guessing when separating paragraphs and such.  I missed a lot of the basic fundamentals as a kid for various reasons.  

I have to get out of here at the moment.  This is a lesson - the fact that a Cowboys fan can love and respect his rival - why we need to give everybody a chance to be heard and stop demonizing people for a point of view.  The core lesson on why it is a good thing to have a strong rival that you respect - being loyal to your own community - but playing fair that football ( and may other things that are being purged) teaches is to complicated to get into.  

I am ranting.  Need to go handle some real life stuff now.  Great to discover you.

Emmitt Smith is who I wanted to be, - IF you ignore the suit he wore when arriving in Dallas after being drafted - when on the field that is who I was envisioning myself as.  He had mastered writing down and setting goals.   I still can't do that, but I try.  He figured that out as such a young man.  Dude knew from day one he was going to hold that record. And now he does.  I was faster, by a fair margin than him, he wasn't slow, but by running back / db standards he was, and still did this.  People would hear him talk and think he was a "moron".  You try growing up as him and then tell me that.  Look at his success.  He taught me so many lessons.  He knew who he was and proved it.  Still have some magazines and shirts from that time period, with him on the cover and such.  Reading about him and the Cowboys while in "In school dentation" are some of my fondest memories.

Then there is Darren Woodson - no I must stop now.

Thinking of Woodson brings to mind Lott.  That IS A MAN.  Why is he not in charge of something in the NFL.  Instead they have Troy Vincent, your telling me Lott wouldn't do a better job than him?  Not intending to imply anything about Vincent, he is probably doing exatly what they want, but come on guys.  Look at what Dan Campbell has done.  And how quickly.  His speech about being knocked down and taking a piece of you every time he gets up.  That is the Lott mindset - and these are not "dirty " cheap shot players.  They have honor.  You have to look at the context.  They are warriors.  Lott is a legend and I am not even speaking of his skill on the field.  The hits he could deliver.  He was so good it distracts from the most important lessons he is teaching by example.  He would not even be allowed to play today.  

Then there is Roy Williams ( OU safety not the WR).  Rules changed and all his skills were no longer applicable.  

Must leave.

Till next time.

An PS5 - really!?  Consoles damn them.

Kidding, or am I>?

Merton Hanks  went to same HS btw.

On a tragic note - prayers to Dallas PD and the community.  A good man was lost last night.  DPD officer Darron Burks.  Tragic situation on all sides.  Two other officers were injured as well.

Darron graduated with my brother from Lake Highlands High School.  They were not close friends or anything, just knew each other back then.

I did not know him, but even in high school he was a great person from what I heard from people I know that knew him.  He just wanted to help people.  Look into his story it will inspire you.  He picked the right mentors and lead by example.  He did make a positive difference in so many peoples lives, I just want to recognize that.

Think about the character and bravery to be a rookie police officer at 46 years old.  He was a teacher, but felt he could make a bigger impact as a police officer.  

 Oak Cliff is not a place you will find any of the politicians and elites that were calling for defunding the police in, even with all their armed security.  

I know maybe not many have been in that environment and things change-  now a days they have vids out there I suspect that show these areas, if it is allowed to be posted;  but to give a couple simple easy to understand examples from what must have been at least 25+ years ago - it takes - or did HOURS at like a taco bell drive thru to order and get your food, when paying what is basically a mini bank vault  thick steel thing will open for you to place money in BEFORE you will recieve your order- and what you get is not what 99% of the taco bells serve, it is the worst quality possible- not a knock on the workers, they are at there risking their life so you can eat and they can pay bills.   

You get gas for example and stray pitbulls all very friendly and sweet begging for you to give them something to eat.(my own baby girl is sleeping in the bed right now great dogs if trained and  precautions are taken, - don't let your dog run loose etc )

Getting emotional off track.  And rambling into unrelated stuff, sorry.

The areas they were pulling police from were demanding more not less - everybody knew this.  They hid this from you on purpose, and DO NOT take my word for this.  Research it, and talk to the people living there not the media and people that will not be hurt when the stupid ideas they make sound good blow up in their face).   

Dunno if links are allowed to be posted, and or if it would be appropriate.  I don't want to turn this forum away from football and the game, so to make it easier if you are looking for info - try to find local Dallas tv station broadcasts.   Channel 8 abc.  Why we are suddenly getting accurate reporting I don't know.