Weaker ovr teams are ridiculously hard...

elmango30 said:

Sure! 
time- play a lot of games

energy - know exactly what beats you and play practice games with people you know against schemes that beat you

money - ebooks + tip websites (not mandatory ofc)

having a scheme helps with all of those things, I’m currently running bunch offset on offense and nickel 33 on defense but lots work

I’m not trying to argue whether you’re good at Madden….but are you saying here you run one formation all game on offense and defense? Why?

JuicyJ8787 said:

I’m not trying to argue whether you’re good at Madden….but are you saying here you run one formation all game on offense and defense? Why?

I’d love to run a game if you really don’t think I am, I’d say I’m very solidly above average

I usually run just one on each and different plays.  sometimes I’ll move over to a different one if I have a really bad matchup (say I can’t block a blitz or send a blitz)

and the answer is this - I really don’t have the capability to Know everything about more than a few formations. If I stick to those few I can be very comfortable in them and make lots of different concepts look the same

elmango30 said:

I’d love to run a game if you really don’t think I am, I’d say I’m very solidly above average

I usually run just one on each and different plays.  sometimes I’ll move over to a different one if I have a really bad matchup (say I can’t block a blitz or send a blitz)

and the answer is this - I really don’t have the capability to Know everything about more than a few formations. If I stick to those few I can be very comfortable in them and make lots of different concepts look the same

This actually makes sense in ways I haven't considered before. I learned to cook by repeatedly doing the same 3 or so recipes over and over until perfecting them. With that I learned different techniques and why they work. So essentially I learned how to cook other things by learning to cook the same thing.

antitwisted said:

This actually makes sense in ways I haven't considered before. I learned to cook by repeatedly doing the same 3 or so recipes over and over until perfecting them. With that I learned different techniques and why they work. So essentially I learned how to cook other things by learning to cook the same thing.

actually I learned to cook the same way lol it’s a great comparison. Basically every sauce is the same like how a flood concept is the same in trips double or bunch

Simple case of good cards bad player.  Someone bought there team , but forgot they dont rent out stick skills. Us nms players will most of the time with ease.

I think at this early point in the season... it's definitely team > scheme.... at least if you're half way decent at the game.  I see a guy with Bryce Young at QB or Herbert at HB and all I'm thinking is "how am I gonna keep this guy in the game long enough for me to pad my stats".  

Granted... if you put Henry out on the field with an 82 OVR team... he's still gonna find a way to smoke me and my 87 OVR squad.  But unless my opponent is a pro player, they have zero chance to win.  DDA is real but it has it's limitations.  If you give the game a chance to screw you, it usually will.

I got a reminder of that in my first WL game this week... against a relatively weak team.  So I let the guy go up two scores by run committing on obvious passing downs...  again so I could keep him in the game into the 4th quarter.  Well wouldn't you know it... he got two non-hitstick fumbles and a DLine pick on my next three possessions.  Meanwhile I'm hit sticking this kid up and down the field and the ball just won't come loose.  I finally took the lead late in the 4th quarter and the guy quit.  So it was good for my stats but I learned a lesson.  I'll go down one score intentionally but not two!

KingHarambe said:

It’s called the equalizer….it’s a real thing

scheme over team

Edit - seems what I replied to here was removed, rightfully. This can be removed too, but doesn't look like I have that option by myself. Disregard this post.

There are certain things on offense that beat certain things on defense regardless of overall ratings. Understanding those, and having a scheme built around things that are more effective is crucial. Most people with 84s are better for this reason, They know their 84 RP Zay flowers can beat the porter Jr, or the Cromartie with certain tricks. Someone with lower cards refuses to upgrade the cards unless they have to or unless they run a TT. These players are extra tough come november/december once they have the coin stack to match other quality teams. If you rely on your players ratings to win you games you are putting yourself at a disadvantage

antitwisted said:

I'm a bit in between on this one. While I do agree scheme > team and it's basically a fact, there is clearly something pretty wrong with the consistency. Now, one could argue the inconsistency is realistic, since that obviously happens in real life. However this isn't real life, nor is that aspect "fair" in a video game. I would not go as far as to say DDA is why, as a greater issue of ineptitude extends to a lot of issues in madden. But I wouldn't deny the potential and some evidence certainly can be found. It's pretty simple - it's all about the money. There is no money in fixing gameplay issues. There is money to be made in selling digitized cards though.

That being said, I noticed something in M18 that would line up perfectly. In the very name itself, "dynamic difficulty adjustment" - look how the game plays on rookie vs all madden, or rookie vs all pro etc when you're against the computer in non mut. Much worse DLs get instant sheds on much better OLs. Much worse OLs get blocks for days. QB starts throwing inaccurate passes. WRs drop the ball or do weird crap to avoid catching it. Your guys suddenly can't cover and don't react to anything without you doing all the work. Etc etc. Whether this is intentional (assuming it's true) is a question, as it could very easily be that EA just repeatedly overlooks taking the code out of the game for multiplayer. They've had pretty epic oversights before.

We may never know but i'm really curious how DDA really works. I've heard people say it happens specifically in seasons when you make playoffs it essentially ups your difficulty but not theirs. I've heard people say if you win 5/8 in any game mode it turns on. I've personally had a game recently and last year where I was up 21 points, and somehow out of nowhere EVERYTHING starts working for my opponent, they catch it in double and triple teams, huge blocks in the run game, defensive sheds like crazy. However, I just don't understand how it could be so fine tuned to possible work on a individualized per game basis.

TheNickSix said:

We may never know but i'm really curious how DDA really works. I've heard people say it happens specifically in seasons when you make playoffs it essentially ups your difficulty but not theirs. I've heard people say if you win 5/8 in any game mode it turns on. I've personally had a game recently and last year where I was up 21 points, and somehow out of nowhere EVERYTHING starts working for my opponent, they catch it in double and triple teams, huge blocks in the run game, defensive sheds like crazy. However, I just don't understand how it could be so fine tuned to possible work on a individualized per game basis.

We can look pretty far back to the good ol days for how this type of concept is applicable. Mortal Kombat 2 comes to mind - designed to exploit your very input right on the spot after your first victory or two, when you could make what seems like the right move and somehow end up getting thrown instantly before the frames of your move could actually complete, invalidating your move before it could finish. That's just one example and likely gets a lot worse from there. The only way to win was basically to use THAT to YOUR advantage, and exploit the exploit, essentially baiting the AI's response and countering with something with fewer frames in very short time. This is as far back as the mid 90s, and it was designed this way to eat up everyone's quarters at arcades. The concept was ported to console though. So anyway, one could derive from this that it is definitely within the realm of possibility for a videogame to essentially be "rigged" and in some ways might not even be difficult to achieve. I still doubt this would be done intentionally by EA in MUT and threaten the very issue everything is always about - the almighty dollar. Of course, scummy and terrible plays by corporations are certainly not unheard of, and that's why we have class action suits. If this is the case, I would imagine the truth would eventually come out.

antitwisted said:

We can look pretty far back to the good ol days for how this type of concept is applicable. Mortal Kombat 2 comes to mind - designed to exploit your very input right on the spot after your first victory or two, when you could make what seems like the right move and somehow end up getting thrown instantly before the frames of your move could actually complete, invalidating your move before it could finish. That's just one example and likely gets a lot worse from there. The only way to win was basically to use THAT to YOUR advantage, and exploit the exploit, essentially baiting the AI's response and countering with something with fewer frames in very short time. This is as far back as the mid 90s, and it was designed this way to eat up everyone's quarters at arcades. The concept was ported to console though. So anyway, one could derive from this that it is definitely within the realm of possibility for a videogame to essentially be "rigged" and in some ways might not even be difficult to achieve. I still doubt this would be done intentionally by EA in MUT and threaten the very issue everything is always about - the almighty dollar. Of course, scummy and terrible plays by corporations are certainly not unheard of, and that's why we have class action suits. If this is the case, I would imagine the truth would eventually come out.

Oh it's definitely a ploy to make us upgrade our teams with real money if we can't obtain the coins. At that point does it specifically target teams that haven't spent coins or bought points? what's the automation that ticks it off in the case of madden? for example they put in read and react AI, so if you spam 01 trap the defenses will catch on and stop it, but it's been proven it doesn't work vs pass, RPO, or Read Option. I have a friend thats NMS and he's genuinely convinced it is out to get him specifically because he will never spend a dime on the game outside of $60 just to buy the game.

TheNickSix said:

Oh it's definitely a ploy to make us upgrade our teams with real money if we can't obtain the coins. At that point does it specifically target teams that haven't spent coins or bought points? what's the automation that ticks it off in the case of madden? for example they put in read and react AI, so if you spam 01 trap the defenses will catch on and stop it, but it's been proven it doesn't work vs pass, RPO, or Read Option. I have a friend thats NMS and he's genuinely convinced it is out to get him specifically because he will never spend a dime on the game outside of $60 just to buy the game.

While I'm NMS to begin with and that was never going to change (seriously, it's silly walleting for pixels, though I do really enjoy the team building aspects and room for personal strategy etc) but anyway. My thinking with that is, why on earth would I spend money on that stuff if the cards don't even consistently play right anyway, regardless of stats? Put another way, having superior stats on a card is all too frequently irrelevant due to bad code? However, my thinking, however correct and/or logical it may seem to me personally, is not the rule of those they are appealing to - which is essentially gambling addicts. Ironically I used to be a "professional" poker player (who didn't really make a great living for the short time this lasted) but I digress. And yeah, I never believed read and react was gonna be real. One could go as far back as, I believe it was Madden 2009, when you could run McFadden of the raiders out of the wildcat to the right on every single play and they would never adjust. Easy 300+ rush yards a game.

antitwisted said:

While I'm NMS to begin with and that was never going to change (seriously, it's silly walleting for pixels, though I do really enjoy the team building aspects and room for personal strategy etc) but anyway. My thinking with that is, why on earth would I spend money on that stuff if the cards don't even consistently play right anyway, regardless of stats? Put another way, having superior stats on a card is all too frequently irrelevant due to bad code? However, my thinking, however correct and/or logical it may seem to me personally, is not the rule of those they are appealing to - which is essentially gambling addicts. Ironically I used to be a "professional" poker player (who didn't really make a great living for the short time this lasted) but I digress. And yeah, I never believed read and react was gonna be real. One could go as far back as, I believe it was Madden 2009, when you could run McFadden of the raiders out of the wildcat to the right on every single play and they would never adjust. Easy 300+ rush yards a game.

LOL I remember that madden, given I was maybe 15 years old so i did not play online a lot. I had 2 2k yard RBs in a franchise mode. Old maddens had their moments where they were very fun. I think last year i spend maybe $200 between a blitz offer, and the 500 point totw if there was an LTD or something i really wanted to gamble on. This year I've just been following some of the market guys and honestly making tons of coin and playing the highs and lows of the market (kinda like stock trading but simplified) is kind of fun in it's own way. I just hit the 3 million mark, hopefully next week I can hit 5+ and keep snowballing upwards from there. Damn, I'm sure thats probably one of the more interesting backgrounds of any mut player (this is sincere not sarcastic I promise). But anyways i'd say my experience with DDA is few and far between and I don't think it's impact is as much as people complain about.