Why are core elites for madden 25 this low?

phatalerror said:

I’ve experienced what you’ve described in similar circumstances, but my conclusion is different. I have about 15 LTD’s in my lineup, but I bought them with coins earned from the Auction House, and I’ve never spent a dime beyond what I paid for the non-Deluxe Edition of Madden 24.

I’ve also had, on infrequent occasions, the game swing the other way, where I get impact blocks on key plays and get the win as a direct result. (Last night I got a key kickoff return for a touchdown and the lead with a minute to play, and shortly thereafter forced an interception for the win.) This is why I cite randomly-determined outcomes as a significant impact in game results when two similarly skilled players are matched up. I don’t see any evidence that LTD’s themselves impact results. I do feel that some mechanism is tweaking whether individual players execute well, and it certainly feels that I’m not merely unlucky. I just don’t think money spent or LTD count are factors.

I have played a lot of games. I notice the difference when I play against someone who has an LTD. 

I can't argue with your statement about randomly-determined outcomes having a significant impact in results of similarly skilled players because I see this as well.

Wooooo said:

I have played a lot of games. I notice the difference when I play against someone who has an LTD. 

I can't argue with your statement about randomly-determined outcomes having a significant impact in results of similarly skilled players because I see this as well.

Of course, the LTD’s are also consistently better than Champion items of the same release. When someone is playing with a better lineup, it stands to reason they’ll have a significant advantage.

Especially when AP are at a premium, it makes a big difference having free abilities, as it lets you really beef up your user(s).

I actually like that they are low. Keeps the game from everyone having all 99’s in February

phatalerror said:

Of course, the LTD’s are also consistently better than Champion items of the same release. When someone is playing with a better lineup, it stands to reason they’ll have a significant advantage.

Especially when AP are at a premium, it makes a big difference having free abilities, as it lets you really beef up your user(s).

No, in the situations I am referring to, they have an LTD, but not a better line up. In some cases, the LTD player is not even on the field and I have still experienced my players doing uncharacteristically bad. Their user(s) and players are not making plays, the players on my team are screwing up. That is what makes it so terrible. It would be understandable if they had a stronger guy beat a weaker guy, or a faster guy toast a slower guy, etc., but that is not what is happening at all. When linemen start to run toward a defender then veers off with out making an attempt at blocking, or a QB overthrows a receiver by a mile, or a HB that never fumbled fumbles 3 times in a game, or a receiver that is open and does not need to dive dives anyhow and drops the pass. These are the types of events that I have experienced when playing someone that happens to have an LTD.

its not the ovr That matters but rather the superpowers

Wooooo said:

No, in the situations I am referring to, they have an LTD, but not a better line up. In some cases, the LTD player is not even on the field and I have still experienced my players doing uncharacteristically bad. Their user(s) and players are not making plays, the players on my team are screwing up. That is what makes it so terrible. It would be understandable if they had a stronger guy beat a weaker guy, or a faster guy toast a slower guy, etc., but that is not what is happening at all. When linemen start to run toward a defender then veers off with out making an attempt at blocking, or a QB overthrows a receiver by a mile, or a HB that never fumbled fumbles 3 times in a game, or a receiver that is open and does not need to dive dives anyhow and drops the pass. These are the types of events that I have experienced when playing someone that happens to have an LTD.

It would be nice to be able to have access to the data of each H2H game so that we could see patterns in results that defied the general performance of a given user, and then be able to deduce whether those results were really just random or if they were influenced by more than just what was on the field from a purely strategic sense.