Why do people complain about “cheese” lol

QB283 said:

No, I mean realistic play. People shouldn’t be able to call the same play over and over again and have it work every time, or take advantage of certain glitches. Play should be like it is in real life: good scheming and execution of a play (reading routes, user input, etc.) is what should win games.

Does that mean that double wheels isn’t making a read? Every playcall any pro runs involves reads. If i go double wheel and you user one of them so the other gets open, is that not making a read?

HhelloItsMe said:

What is “X, B, R1, R2, Y, Y” supposed to mean

Yeah its an xbox thing but I was just like input 10 commands in a row to activate what you need to to exploit the play.

kaotikords said:

Yeah its an xbox thing but I was just like input 10 commands in a row to activate what you need to to exploit the play.

Ok. I’m Xbox too i was just confused because as far as i know that list doesn’t actually mean anything, which i guess was the point

HhelloItsMe said:

Does that mean that double wheels isn’t making a read? Every playcall any pro runs involves reads. If i go double wheel and you user one of them so the other gets open, is that not making a read?

A huge exploit that Ive only seen once so far in Champs game is RPO is glitchy AF and realistically, unless I make 10-12 inputs and user a specific player EVERY single play where they just have to make 1 or 2 changes. Thats what I mean. Or nano blitz on D or whatever the new one is. 

As for your specific example, Id have to see it play out if you can show me a visible play or two of it. It may just be the play itself is good and makes you change one person or the other. But the way it sounds is that zone should be able to shut that down/make the play more often than man.

kaotikords said:

A huge exploit that Ive only seen once so far in Champs game is RPO is glitchy AF and realistically, unless I make 10-12 inputs and user a specific player EVERY single play where they just have to make 1 or 2 changes. Thats what I mean. Or nano blitz on D or whatever the new one is. 

As for your specific example, Id have to see it play out if you can show me a visible play or two of it. It may just be the play itself is good and makes you change one person or the other. But the way it sounds is that zone should be able to shut that down/make the play more often than man.

Here is a more basic thing: people often complain about crossers and corners not getting guarded. If i run bunch verticals and my opponent runs cover 3 and therefore my crosser gets wide open, is that glitchy? No. I had 4 vertical Routes, and you had 3 deep zones.

HhelloItsMe said:

Here is a more basic thing: people often complain about crossers and corners not getting guarded. If i run bunch verticals and my opponent runs cover 3 and therefore my crosser gets wide open, is that glitchy? No. I had 4 vertical Routes, and you had 3 deep zones.

Yeah thats fine. Thats like real football lol

MrAgentSochi said:

:)

What the hell is that?

legionpeep said:

What the hell is that?

What does it look like lmao

MrAgentSochi said:

What does it look like lmao

I’ll chime in here and just kinda reiterate what some people are saying. If somebody runs one play over and over again than it’s not cheesing. It becomes cheesing when it defies the defensive code (such as deep crossers and corners not breaking or seams and backers not picking up). This isn’t much of an issue on next gen as match coverage is a thing but with even with high zone stats corners don’t break which creates a paradox for defender.

They complain because it takes a long time to make, in comparison to drinking milk which is obviously a lot faster.

MrAgentSochi said:

:)

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/controller/get-to-know-your-xbox-series-x-s-controller

No one calls it that for xbox

jerryMinefeld said:

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/controller/get-to-know-your-xbox-series-x-s-controller

No one calls it that for xbox

I never said it was series x lmao....

Copycat bum sheep cant think own their own lol.....i love hearing ppl say "ohhhh play so and so named pro, they will crush you".....well id love to see these nerds actually step out on the real field and see how they hold up.....most these dudes couldnt get past pee wee football so they stay in their safe zone