Why does motion screw up everything on defense now?

antitwisted said:

This is just ridiculous at this point...as if defense doesn't already have enough issues, now everyone you play against is doing motion/cheat plays that screw up your entire defensive alignment pre snap regardless of zone/man/match etc..seems base align and removing auto flip prevents this as far as I can tell, and maybe there's more that can help or whatever, and for now I'm still playing so maybe I'll figure out something else too...but I guess now I HAVE to do base align to deal with this? Or maybe someone else has input how to deal with this. But regardless, I shouldn't involuntarily have my guys moving across the field when I didn't tell them to, and there needs to be a way to completely shut that off. Am I missing something here?

Is motion being seen as cheese now or am I misunderstanding this post? You should know the difference between default, base, and man alignment. 

Been running the Niners playbook since early access and I run plenty of the motion plays in the playbook just because I feel I’m running the Niner offense from real life. You should be expected to adjust your defense if your opponent is using motion for majority of the game.  If you think you can stay in one coverage all game, you’re gonna get cooked.

TheNickSix said:

Ya, there will always be people that are just here to vent. That's fine, I'm not here to argue with them. Just from my personal life though I just cannot stand people that live life with a victims mentality. We are all victims of EA and we are just trying to play a game we love and they are ruining it and that sucks, but lets not make it worse. Winning is still fun, and if you learn to play the game in the more effective ways instead of complaining it will ease some of those frustrations.

Dude, I spend life rolling with punches, and I come home with the opportunity to play a game that keeps getting worse month by month. Get out of here with the victim's mentality garbage. We just want to enjoy a game that is getting worse patch by patch, and because there are users that effectively cheat at the game, we can't enjoy it. Just more punches to roll with.

Thanks for the suggestions. Why not just leave it at that?

phatalerror said:

Dude, I spend life rolling with punches, and I come home with the opportunity to play a game that keeps getting worse month by month. Get out of here with the victim's mentality garbage. We just want to enjoy a game that is getting worse patch by patch, and because there are users that effectively cheat at the game, we can't enjoy it. Just more punches to roll with.

Thanks for the suggestions. Why not just leave it at that?

because we have talked multiple times and you and I are incredibly far apart on what we believe is "cheating"

The last patch actually improved match coverage, which is getting closer and closer to simulation football, if you understand match principles it makes it a lot more fun to play the game, it also helps you understand how someone might try to break those principles with video game logic so that you can effectively counter them. Instead, you constantly post on here about how such a route combo is just cheating the game even though there are effective counters available to you. If you come here to vent and don't want advice to get better just say that. 

TLDR: If you don't enjoy it do not incorporate it into your leisure time. There is nothing more valuable in your life than time. You should not waste it on a game you do not like

avSFC said:

Is motion being seen as cheese now or am I misunderstanding this post? You should know the difference between default, base, and man alignment. 

Been running the Niners playbook since early access and I run plenty of the motion plays in the playbook just because I feel I’m running the Niner offense from real life. You should be expected to adjust your defense if your opponent is using motion for majority of the game.  If you think you can stay in one coverage all game, you’re gonna get cooked.

So, these replies somehow really flew off the handle. Cheese isn't what this is, and is irrelevant here. Cheese is a gimmick that is easier to execute than to respond to, but if responded to properly becomes suboptimal. The topic at hand is more along the lines of a glitch/improper coding, because before the latest patch, my defensive alignment was never so badly thrown off by motion. Motion tends to be a strong play regardless, and is not cheese. You are literally the only one conflating it to cheese, or mentioning cheese at all.

My whole point of the OP was 1) why is this such a problem and 2) what are the best ways to deal with it right now? This post I am replying to here STILL doesn't provide this in a relevant way. I also never stated, nor would I, that I only stay in one type of coverage. Also, where do you interpret an issue of needing to know the difference between default, base and man?

This also is now the second time I've repeated the point, and very little of the replies really got into any actionable insight in regards to this point. I'm fine with some natural conversation flow going the other direction so not knocking anyone or anything, but I would implore that we get focused here. The lack of actionable advice, insight etc this far into the topic is a MAJOR supporting argument of this being an issue.

And in regards to a reply Nick made, I hope to retract the word "victim" as I said earlier, as people have their own choices and are not powerless here. I do think some people are taken advantage of. Often they express frustration with the game, yearning for another company to make one and dealing with Madden anyway...in some cases, continuing spending hard. I suspect some who appear to defend Madden may just have sunk cost fallacy.

TheNickSix said:

because we have talked multiple times and you and I are incredibly far apart on what we believe is "cheating"

The last patch actually improved match coverage, which is getting closer and closer to simulation football, if you understand match principles it makes it a lot more fun to play the game, it also helps you understand how someone might try to break those principles with video game logic so that you can effectively counter them. Instead, you constantly post on here about how such a route combo is just cheating the game even though there are effective counters available to you. If you come here to vent and don't want advice to get better just say that. 

TLDR: If you don't enjoy it do not incorporate it into your leisure time. There is nothing more valuable in your life than time. You should not waste it on a game you do not like

How about having man coverage do its thing, instead of stranding guys in the middle of nowhere? No one is talking about deep concepts hard to program. Just have the goons trail or anticipate, but not to play absolutely lost.

You offer a mere workaround, not a cure, and not a ‘football solution’.

phatalerror said:

How about having man coverage do its thing, instead of stranding guys in the middle of nowhere? No one is talking about deep concepts hard to program. Just have the goons trail or anticipate, but not to play absolutely lost.

You offer a mere workaround, not a cure, and not a ‘football solution’.

Man coverage is doing it's thing, being terrible, lol because man coverage is terrible in real life anyways. Any good receiver asks to see man coverage. People want to play man coverage and put their controller down and watch the game be played instead of playing it. Man coverage should never be good it's bad for the game. 

Match coverage is the future in real life, and it's the solution in madden too. This is 1000% the football solution, and every single patch has notes that make match coverage better. A non-football solution would be to run 43 even 61, shift line left, crash line left, then engage the center to get your DT free up the A gap, but you shouldn't do that because that's cheating!!

Tpbv9 said:

Literally 9/10 people are running cheat/cheese/exploits online that’s why the online is dead this game sucks

Lmao online isn’t dead. It’s probably the most competitive it’s ever been. There’s a lot of good madden players out there.

dadawg1005 said:

Yea every1 I play is doing it must be new ebook crap!

definitely ebook crap

TheNickSix said:

Man coverage is doing it's thing, being terrible, lol because man coverage is terrible in real life anyways. Any good receiver asks to see man coverage. People want to play man coverage and put their controller down and watch the game be played instead of playing it. Man coverage should never be good it's bad for the game. 

Match coverage is the future in real life, and it's the solution in madden too. This is 1000% the football solution, and every single patch has notes that make match coverage better. A non-football solution would be to run 43 even 61, shift line left, crash line left, then engage the center to get your DT free up the A gap, but you shouldn't do that because that's cheating!!

Bro, never pulled the A-gap junk. That doesn't make your argument against man coverage any stronger. If you have the personnel to play man coverage, there's nothing wrong with that in real life. There are situations where zone has its advantages, and times where man is the play.

I don't even know where you get "man coverage is bad for the game". It's in the game. The real game.

Since you want to play the I-Know-Football-Better-Than-U card here, what is the informed source behind your "Match coverage is the future in real life" comment? Because that to me sounds like absolute rubbish.

I could understand using motion for a WR can loop around the offensive line to the other side and start a route at full acceleration instead of starting stationary, then having to accelerate

The problem is...in normal football the DB would start running after the WR...also accelerating

In MUT25...the DB basically stands there and lets the WR get a wide open streak

droblunts313 said:

Lmao online isn’t dead. It’s probably the most competitive it’s ever been. There’s a lot of good madden players out there.

Tbh, there really isn't. A good madden player is a person who knows how to glitch the AI and break the defense. Good at breaking the game? Absolutely. Good at the game? Not at all.

phatalerror said:

Bro, never pulled the A-gap junk. That doesn't make your argument against man coverage any stronger. If you have the personnel to play man coverage, there's nothing wrong with that in real life. There are situations where zone has its advantages, and times where man is the play.

I don't even know where you get "man coverage is bad for the game". It's in the game. The real game.

Since you want to play the I-Know-Football-Better-Than-U card here, what is the informed source behind your "Match coverage is the future in real life" comment? Because that to me sounds like absolute rubbish.

Literally watch a football game. I can type an essay on this but it’s really not necessary. They literally start teaching match principles at a high school level. 

Man coverage is bad for the madden because it incentivizes players to just call cover 2 man under, put their controller down and watch the game get played. Then when it doesn’t work they come on here and whine about it. 

The a-gap junk is just mocking you because you whole heartedly believe that calling a hot route or making an adjustment to a stock defense is cheating. 
 

Like I said, don’t like it, don’t play it. Come back to when you can get 4 corners with one step ahead so you can play man coverage, set your controller down and watch the game play itself.

It's like the YouTubers and ea have a deal where they won't fix their broken game so YouTubers can exploit it for subscribers. YouTubers are just as big of a problem with this game other than the obvious incompetence of ea   this game isn't even football anymore. It's exploiting an obviously broken game and it's been that way for years and will be that way for years to come. Now ea just has the excuse that they launched 2 football games in one year with college so that's why these games are ass. And yet everyone is putting hundreds if not thousands in eas pocket weekly.

MaddenIsTerrible said:

Tbh, there really isn't. A good madden player is a person who knows how to glitch the AI and break the defense. Good at breaking the game? Absolutely. Good at the game? Not at all.

It’s a video game. It’s been like this for like 15 years ever since online became a thing. You are literally insane if you think it’s going to change. You are right tho, there are not a lot of people with high football IQ that play this game. But like I said there are people that are really good at this game whether you want to accept that or not.