Why is this community ok with cheating and exploits?

doncoyleone said:

I completely disagree with this sentiment. There were glitches (route stem), but the latest patch cleared that up. As for the double mug mid blitz, this is a skill gap. Sure, a casual with 4-5 plays is going to get killed by this D, but there are simple adjustments on offense that’ll get people out of this defense - half shift away from the RB, block your RB and ID Mike on the user. I’ve typically just run stretch plays or quick passes to get people out of the mid blitz. After 2-3 series of it not working, they quit out or abandon mid blitz. Sometimes I get cooked and can’t do anything but that’s usually a result of a dominant user/switch stick player. 

Look, if you’re looking for a sim game, I get your frustration. Unfortunately, madden (and certainly MUT) isn’t your game. It’s a video game first and foremost.

Crashing your dline down is a skill gap?  That's news to me.

And the method of half slide away from the rb and id the user is very inconsistent.  I literally have 5 video clips on my Twitter of doing that exact method, and still getting instant a-gapped from the mug.

I'm an ex-pro player who has made an MCS finals and many live events.  I'm not some bazooka complaining about sim football who doesn't realize it's a video game.

Exploit a-gaps were eliminated with nano-detection and then improved oline play a few years back...only to resurface in this year's game.  Why are issues that were solved in previous versions of Madden all of a sudden a problem again?

Wooooo said:

I'm not cool with it, but people taking advantage of things in the game is to be expected. The glitch-type stuff that is being exploited is what needs to be fixed. It would be very unreasonable for them to ban people rather than fix their issues.

Yeah they should fix the issues, but until they can...people should be banned for glitching/exploiting/cheating as it is against the TOS and also the MCS rules.

LunatiK said:

DJONES13 you apparently are an ex pro player, whats happening this year that wasnt happening in 23 or 22 lmao?

I stopped playing professionally in 2018 after the Jacksonville shooting.

My issue is that back when I was playing, I brought up the glitching/exploiting issues to the developers, and they agreed with me.  I was part of the reason they implemented nano-detection, and then improved oline play which made a-gap glitch blitzes a thing of the past.

I'm just wondering why an issue that was already addressed and fixed in previous years' games is all of a sudden a problem again.

antitwisted said:

So, the issue really is with EA for not patching or assisting with overpowered stuff like mid blitz. By extension, arguably the NFL and the exclusive license retained for the "simulation game" that Madden is supposed to be, and simply isn't. I wouldn't blame the community for taking advantage of the terrible blocking never doing anything about A gap blitzing or whatever else, and this is an important distinction. There's always an OP blitz every year that allows people to play defense without thinking. I myself want to do my own stuff and specifically avoid going meta, but I don't blame people wanting an advantage or mitigating any disadvantage they can. Exploitive of bad coding, sure, but wouldn't equate it to the level of stem glitching, which most people in my experience weren't doing when it was a thing.

Yeah but the double mug is just as bad of a glitch as the stem glitch...I would argue it is almost worse.  

I blame EA for not being professional and not promoting a glitch/exploit free environment that everyone could enjoy.

hulksmashr2 said:

Double mug needs to be patched this defense is bum friendly. People are exploiting it for easy wins. Every game I play in champs people are using it smh. It’s not fun seeing it every game.

Yeah definitely needs to be patched.  

Sad thing is EA patches card glitches instantly if people are benefiting as regards to coins/cards.  

I wish they would realize gameplay glitches are just as important.

hulksmashr2 said:

I do this and sometimes I block the TE too and they still come in over the A gap. Some games even slants, quick out, or drags don’t work lol 😆

You shouldn't have to block a RB or TE to pick up a stock 4 man pressure consistently.

Tpbv9 said:

It easy to tell who’s cheesing the game by thier responses smh. Bunch of bums.

A lot of it is not even cheesing, it's straight up cheating.

ItsmeD said:

Good day
 

it’s not that double mug needs to be patched. What needs to be fixed or tuned into the game as people spam one defense over and over because the game can’t function properly with adjusting because if anyone in any level of football , high school , college or pro continued running the same defense the coach would easily know a play or how to stop and Madden this doesn’t happen. Therefore there should be something that should happen like a penalty call or something to stop people from running the same play over and over on defense.

I'm not sure about limiting people's freedom to call what plays they choose.  

But we definitely should have all the tools to counter anything we play against, and any glitches/exploits should be fixed or at least a bannable offense until they can be patched.

DJONES13 said:

Yeah but the double mug is just as bad of a glitch as the stem glitch...I would argue it is almost worse.  

I blame EA for not being professional and not promoting a glitch/exploit free environment that everyone could enjoy.

I could see that, but a key difference here, even if in practice it may be kind of pedantic but - stem glitch is not intended or allowed. I am in support of patching double mug in a way that actually involves defense requiring some skill, but the community taking advantage is not the problem here. You just can't realistically expect to police the behavior of an entire online gaming community or encourage them in some way to not take advantage of an exploitive weakness in the coding of a game. 

The responsibility is on the developers, period, and when it gets to the point that the QB gets sacked during HANDOFFS because it comes screaming that fast and the entire MCS consists of mid blitz the entire game every game (other than fancy using dollar which was the clear cut #2 meta defense anyway) it clearly reflects poorly on EA to come up with the "simulation likeness" that madden is supposed to be. The whole thing is a joke. 

No NFL team just watches defenders break through an OL for free more than once because of some gimmicky A gap attack on every play. Not even the terrible ones.  IRL, guess what, they protect their QB or they look like a complete joke of a franchise. An OL failing repeatedly to pick up their block? They start losing their jobs, or failing drug tests, or both. Yeah, some teams suck at this and get sacked a lot, but it is NEVER to this extreme.

RedIsNotBlue said:

How about...I don't know...crazy idea here....EA actually FIXES these problems and actually stay in touch with the community when it comes to these issues? EA should ban themselves from Madden for just allowing it all to happen. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

EA hasnt made a game in years. All AI. Especially their "community management" stop giving them your money.

Do yall think the fact every program has a major glitch, every release is bugged to hell, we have anime promos? Think thats humans? Lol they are feeding us dumpster scraps and charging us money for it, and we pay. Not after this year, sir. Lol opting out...

SquishySoldier21 said:

EA hasnt made a game in years. All AI. Especially their "community management" stop giving them your money.

Lol I work in IT and truthfully AI is a meme right now to me. People are oh so unnerved by AI while its rendition of my work is that I'm taking a dump or instructing someone to put their phone in a fire. Anyway, my point is Madden could be added to the examples of how dumb AI actually is and mid blitz spamming is the perfect example of how "machine learning" is kinda BS.

antitwisted said:

Lol I work in IT and truthfully AI is a meme right now to me. People are oh so unnerved by AI while its rendition of my work is that I'm taking a dump or instructing someone to put their phone in a fire. Anyway, my point is Madden could be added to the examples of how dumb AI actually is and mid blitz spamming is the perfect example of how "machine learning" is kinda BS.

If you think AI cant make a madden idk what to tell you. Same game year in and year out. For ten years. Its only gotten WORSE for the last four or five years. Maybe AI cant do YOUR job. It can def do theirs.

SquishySoldier21 said:

If you think AI cant make a madden idk what to tell you. Same game year in and year out. For ten years. Its only gotten WORSE for the last four or five years. Maybe AI cant do YOUR job. It can def do theirs.

You don't seriously think AI can independently make a complex game like Madden without serious issues, do you? If you believe this, what are you basing it off of?