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peatrick said:

You are wise.  Apparently i'm a glutton for punishment.  Even if, or especially when i'm losing, that's when i dig my heels in even more and refuse to give up.  I'm not trying to sit here and pretend i never rage-quit, because it certainly happens all the darn time, but generally speaking, i'm far too stubborn to give up or quit, even if i'm outmatched.  It's not fun to play against that RPO cheese, but often doing something as simple as coming out in Nickel/Dime (or any four down linemen sets), pinch your entire defense, shade down (underneath) and have a Hard Flat on the receiver side of that RPO cheese (perhaps even Man up your slot corner on the intended target) will be sufficient to stop these chumps in their tracks.

And few feelings are more gratifying than causing these one-play pussies to run away with their tail tucked between their legs.  Maybe it's just me, but offense has become much more of a struggle, especially lately than defense.  Starting the year it was unheard of to get a stop, or hold an opponent to a FG, every game was a shootout, but my the meta has shifted in 6 or 8 months.

All that being said, i've definitely come back from 21-0 deficits a small handful of times.  And i'm also not above fighting fire with fire.  I definitely ran an Emmitt Smith  Angry Runs scheme supported by dual Vanguard TEs (Bo and Heath Miller) for a minute, so i could always be prepared to out-cheese the chumps.  It simply stopped being fun, i couldn't imagine calling the same play over and over, but perhaps that's why i've never truly mastered any.  Not easy, but certainly feasible to take away most RPOs these days, especially if you have a Flat Zone KO and/or Pick Artist out there.

I commend you for trying to stick it to them. It's the quick snapping rpo spam that I don't have the patience for. I indulge in California medicine while playing so often times so my attention or hands aren't fully fixated on the game lol. I'll mess up a quick adjustment trying to rush and ruin the whole defense leaving easy TDS. I just quit out now and save my self the rage.

SosaChamberlain said:

I commend you for trying to stick it to them. It's the quick snapping rpo spam that I don't have the patience for. I indulge in California medicine while playing so often times so my attention or hands aren't fully fixated on the game lol. I'll mess up a quick adjustment trying to rush and ruin the whole defense leaving easy TDS. I just quit out now and save my self the rage.

Sounds like a crutch. I chief like an Indian but it doesnt affect my play whatsoever

SosaChamberlain said:

I commend you for trying to stick it to them. It's the quick snapping rpo spam that I don't have the patience for. I indulge in California medicine while playing so often times so my attention or hands aren't fully fixated on the game lol. I'll mess up a quick adjustment trying to rush and ruin the whole defense leaving easy TDS. I just quit out now and save my self the rage.

MY MAN!  Huge fan of the California medicinal ourselves.  Was sitting there enjoying a chillum with my wife last evening, while some asshat got on the mic, trying to proclaim how truly amazing he was/is.  Of course, i was similarly distracted, enjoying our banter and trying to find a brief moment in between plays to puff puff, pass... he was down 3-1 (in House Rules) the entire game, before getting an extremely lucky blind pass / to TE streak, which gave him the one and only score.

I only had 30 seconds to move down the entire field, so wasn't able to overcome it.  Those tough losses (to an obviously inferior opponent) are THE absolute worst.  Been enjoying some Cali G Mintz as well as something called Smurf, although i'm unsure of the exact genetics.  So much great variety these days, but mostly stick flower, or the occasional edible(s).

As you pointed out, few things are worse than the constant quick-snapping, holy hell.  Lately i'm using defenses that require only a few adjustments to pull off, knowing full well we'll be on the receiving end of that madness.  Highly recommend a HEAVY BOX Dollar style defensive scheme, you can come out in this Dbl Safety Go formation (so both Safeties automatically walk up into the box), at which point i immediately audible over to whatever defense I prefer, then make a couple quick pre-snap adjustments and hope for the best.  Quick, mostly easy to set up and reliable against both pass and run, from Multiple D, but any playbook could be set up in a similar manner.  Also excellent from Dime.  You can pretty much use anything you want, but my audibles lately have been the usual culprits:

1. DB Fire 2
2. Spinner (although i rarely, almost never call this)
3. FS Zone Blitz
4. Cover 4 Drop Contain

My desire to sit there and have an enjoyable and relaxing time messing with MUT has without a doubt prevented me from engaging in more online H2H in the past, but there's just no way around it.  We'll see how long i last, holding out hope for TT Remix, but i'm starting to run out of steam.

Wagnerhoward said:

Sounds like a crutch. I chief like an Indian but it doesnt affect my play whatsoever

I will admit I play madden hella distracted. I'll be looking for the ash tray mid play screen then running to turn off the air fryer in between kick off screens lol.

peatrick said:

MY MAN!  Huge fan of the California medicinal ourselves.  Was sitting there enjoying a chillum with my wife last evening, while some asshat got on the mic, trying to proclaim how truly amazing he was/is.  Of course, i was similarly distracted, enjoying our banter and trying to find a brief moment in between plays to puff puff, pass... he was down 3-1 (in House Rules) the entire game, before getting an extremely lucky blind pass / to TE streak, which gave him the one and only score.

I only had 30 seconds to move down the entire field, so wasn't able to overcome it.  Those tough losses (to an obviously inferior opponent) are THE absolute worst.  Been enjoying some Cali G Mintz as well as something called Smurf, although i'm unsure of the exact genetics.  So much great variety these days, but mostly stick flower, or the occasional edible(s).

As you pointed out, few things are worse than the constant quick-snapping, holy hell.  Lately i'm using defenses that require only a few adjustments to pull off, knowing full well we'll be on the receiving end of that madness.  Highly recommend a HEAVY BOX Dollar style defensive scheme, you can come out in this Dbl Safety Go formation (so both Safeties automatically walk up into the box), at which point i immediately audible over to whatever defense I prefer, then make a couple quick pre-snap adjustments and hope for the best.  Quick, mostly easy to set up and reliable against both pass and run, from Multiple D, but any playbook could be set up in a similar manner.  Also excellent from Dime.  You can pretty much use anything you want, but my audibles lately have been the usual culprits:

1. DB Fire 2
2. Spinner (although i rarely, almost never call this)
3. FS Zone Blitz
4. Cover 4 Drop Contain

My desire to sit there and have an enjoyable and relaxing time messing with MUT has without a doubt prevented me from engaging in more online H2H in the past, but there's just no way around it.  We'll see how long i last, holding out hope for TT Remix, but i'm starting to run out of steam.

I love the online banter honestly. I'm c rank competitor but S tier trash talker haha. You're blessed to have a partner who sits there and puts up with the online community with ya. 

For the FS blitz, if you audible to a stock coverage will it realign your safeties back to base formation? 

I'll keep an eye out for those treats you mentioned. I'm from the south and recentley moved to the east coast so I'm getting used to being able to walk in to dispensaries and window shopping.

peatrick said:

The process is almost always the same.  Pros and competitive players will lab and figure out what is truly good, people will then attempt to copy the most skilled players in the world, often running poor imitations of these defenses (which trickles down through many, many YouTubers), or coming out with a base 6-1 and sending endless Cover 0 blitzes each and every down, only to hopefully force inexperienced players into making mistakes.

Learn to make a quick read to the flat, or a streak, be sure to have Secure Protectors on your offensive line, don't run quarterbacks with terrible releases -- the speed at which the ball comes out will have a direct correlation to how successful a player is in Comp MUT.  Doug Williams is still far and away one of the best budget QBs, accessible to almost everyone, or will be on Sunday morning.  Just a few random thoughts/ideas or suggestions for anyone struggling against this stuff.

6-1 is popular, because it's super simple to set up and incredibly versatile at both run and pass defense.  Cover 4 Quarters, blitz all LBs, win.  Mindless and anyone can do it, but fairly one-dimensional and will have soft areas you can exploit, especially over the middle of the field.

Why wasn't 6-1 popular in madden 20 21 22 23?

I love playing 6-1 people, easiest wins ever cuz they do not understand how to make adjustment to the opponent, just scripted YouTube adjustments. Dollar is a bit more annoying but since I use it in some games I know where the weak spots are. Best defense in the game is tampa 3.

ramsfanstl4 said:

Why wasn't 6-1 popular in madden 20 21 22 23?

I assume because they removed the ability for linebackers to properly animate.  Getting so many 0AP LurkArtist (which may have started back in `23, i believe, but my memory is a bit foggy) has rejuvenated the linebacker position.  In the past, we always had to run Safeties at SUBLB, because they would actually animate and try to pick off the balls, whereas linebackers couldn't play pass coverage, they were only considered pure pass rushers.

ramsfanstl4 said:

Why wasn't 6-1 popular in madden 20 21 22 23?

LBs don't animate without lurker, and before lurk artist you would have to use AP on lurker and pick artist. It was easier to run safties at SubLB in nickel/dollar when your mid field defenders can jump for passes over their head.

peatrick said:

I assume because they removed the ability for linebackers to properly animate.  Getting so many 0AP LurkArtist (which may have started back in `23, i believe, but my memory is a bit foggy) has rejuvenated the linebacker position.  In the past, we always had to run Safeties at SUBLB, because they would actually animate and try to pick off the balls, whereas linebackers couldn't play pass coverage, they were only considered pure pass rushers.

Man that just unlocked the memory of lbs not jumping at all. I've run 6-1 since they added it to rams playbook and I never really saw other players use it or even talk about it on forums back then, and that was the madden wirh lamar on the cover. Now even on reddit you see people upset with it and I'm like dang I've been running this formation for years but since it's meta now I look bad for using it. Was curious to why it didn't get hate back then but you mentioning the linebackers jogged my memory.

SosaChamberlain said:

LBs don't animate without lurker, and before lurk artist you would have to use AP on lurker and pick artist. It was easier to run safties at SubLB in nickel/dollar when your mid field defenders can jump for passes over their head.

Your right I remember that now. It's always something with ea, back then shazier and other lbs would catch anything thrown their way. Later maddens ea took that away and forced abilities on us

ramsfanstl4 said:

Man that just unlocked the memory of lbs not jumping at all. I've run 6-1 since they added it to rams playbook and I never really saw other players use it or even talk about it on forums back then, and that was the madden wirh lamar on the cover. Now even on reddit you see people upset with it and I'm like dang I've been running this formation for years but since it's meta now I look bad for using it. Was curious to why it didn't get hate back then but you mentioning the linebackers jogged my memory.

It's a really effective defense against both run and pass, but yeah, i'm sure you experienced a TON of limitations (at least in pass coverage) back in the days when LBs wouldn't defend the pass, because... simulation football?  Oof, EA logic is fierce, but i believe (please correct me if i'm mistaken or way off base here, it was before i resumed my budding MUT career) back in the day (2019-20ish? era) there was a Ryan Shazier card that totally changed the entire game of Madden, i believe that was the sole reason they ultimately removed the ability for linebackers to defend in pass coverage, i heard he was just leaping up and snatching everything that came within twenty yards of him.

I missed it, so hopefully someone will understand the reference and try to help fill in the gaps, but it sounded fairly legendary.

peatrick said:

The process is almost always the same.  Pros and competitive players will lab and figure out what is truly good, people will then attempt to copy the most skilled players in the world, often running poor imitations of these defenses (which trickles down through many, many YouTubers), or coming out with a base 6-1 and sending endless Cover 0 blitzes each and every down, only to hopefully force inexperienced players into making mistakes.

Learn to make a quick read to the flat, or a streak, be sure to have Secure Protectors on your offensive line, don't run quarterbacks with terrible releases -- the speed at which the ball comes out will have a direct correlation to how successful a player is in Comp MUT.  Doug Williams is still far and away one of the best budget QBs, accessible to almost everyone, or will be on Sunday morning.  Just a few random thoughts/ideas or suggestions for anyone struggling against this stuff.

6-1 is popular, because it's super simple to set up and incredibly versatile at both run and pass defense.  Cover 4 Quarters, blitz all LBs, win.  Mindless and anyone can do it, but fairly one-dimensional and will have soft areas you can exploit, especially over the middle of the field.

how cheap is Doug? Just wanna throw out there that Bo Jackson is nearly as cheap from my perspective and has a better AP stack

DrinkingTears said:

I love playing 6-1 people, easiest wins ever cuz they do not understand how to make adjustment to the opponent, just scripted YouTube adjustments. Dollar is a bit more annoying but since I use it in some games I know where the weak spots are. Best defense in the game is tampa 3.

Tampa 3 is mostly just a cover 3 that’s harder to bomb. I usually prefer a cover 3 with outside quarters and a couple guys manned up. Tampa 3 is really good tho